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Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

RhondaCoca — Sat, 03 May 2008 07:07:00 -0000

This is why I dont even know anymore. I wrote on other blogs:

You peopla are a bit much for me. If you did not understand that Wright was trying to be puposely defiant to the media rather than some good negro then I dont know anymore. I will apologize for him that he did not stand still and say yes massah, no massah. He was obviously not taking it seriously because he refuses to bend over for the white mainstream media. That is how I interpreted it.

As for Obama being a politican, he is. Wright is a minister.Wright has no need to be politcally correct because he aint running for POTUS. Obama is. I say this all the time when people go Rhonda, dont say this, dont say that...I say, I owe nothing to nobody, I could care less what people think. However if I am trying to get a job, if I am trying to keep a job then I am more politically correct, respectful etc...

Why is what Wright has to say so serious? It just proves that this whole thing is just ridiculous.

Also, Wright needs no god-damn attention. He is a prominent minister, he used to be televised and he has been invited both nationally and internationally invited to speak. Obama's candidacy basically ended it for him. He did not benefit Obama. I believed that he wished that after 35+ years of ministry, public service, inspiration to so many, recognition etc...his leagcy could be intact rather than being seen as a hate monger with with a church (that started with 80 and went to 8,000) that is considered as more than a cult.

Nobody is paying him SHIT, nobody bribed him.

He refuses to kneel at the altar of the white establishment, white Americans and any politican including Obama. That is how I saw it.

P.S.Spike Lee was the first person that I have ever heard, make comments about a U.S. conspiracy around AIDS. The guy has more conspiracies than anybody. Many of his views are controversial. My cousin, Chris works for Forty Acres and a Mule. He has been with them since 92 out here in BK. If he and Obama had a twenty year relationship, then all that may be used a kryptonite. Knowing Lee the way I do, he would not be one to shut up that is fo'sho!!

Obama denounced Wright and called what he said "divisive" and "hate" speech. Obama has now distanced himself and can move on. The media created hysteria in my opinion. I watched the Q&A; and came out with a different opinion because I did not here all real egotists....the pundits. I believe that Obama is free and clear. I believe that this whole thing has helped him.

Moving On...

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Anonymous — Fri, 02 May 2008 04:06:00 -0000

Check this out: The Daily Show is show poking fun at the obsession that MSM is having with the Rev. Wright controversy.

Festival of Wright

http://www.thedailyshow.com...

Spiritual Advisor

http://www.thedailyshow.com...

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Michelle — Fri, 02 May 2008 04:05:00 -0000

rikyrah and Craig, thank you for the replies. So much hurt in this.

I want to believe what that essay says, but am still confused about WTF is going on, and will probably will stay that way for a while.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

RhondaCoca — Fri, 02 May 2008 02:07:00 -0000

Here:

http://www.maynardije.org/c...

Barbara A. Reynolds

Columnist Defends Role in Wright Appearance; Says She'll Ask Obama Campaign for Apology

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

RhondaCoca — Fri, 02 May 2008 01:17:00 -0000

Black leaders and celebs are so hypocritical and 360 when it benefits them. It's why I don't bother caring what they say. While I like them, I could careless what they say about politics....really could.

I read what Spike Lee had to say. He has been discussing this whole election for a while. Obama called him and told him that his first date with Michelle was to see, "Do The Right Thing".

However I went to a talk with Spike last year and he was nasty in regards to Obama like everyone else at the time like Russell Simmons who has also chimed in and Cornel West who was cheering on Wright at the NPC. It's interesting, I was in Obama's court since he announced his candidacy and I was against mostly everyone in the black community. Now i;m sick of the whole election and everyone is enthusiatic.

I think I started too early. It's like getting drunk for a party at 9pm when it doesnt get poppin until like 12:30 or 1 am. Everyone is all hype then and i'm ready to go home.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

rikyrah — Thu, 01 May 2008 23:25:00 -0000

Nelson Mandela is on the Terror Watch List.

I feel safer, don't you?

Yes, your government at work.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

TruthSeeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:58:00 -0000

Something that made me chuckle this morning...

Stephanie Tubbs Jones has a fundraising page at ActBlue. She's raised a grand total of $1 from 1 donor.

Craig posted about Ben Chandler, the KY superdelegate who's supporting Obama and has been getting racist phonecalls. He raised 20,000 since yesterday.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Craig Hickman — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:43:00 -0000

I read the Black Kos story.

I also read what Spike Lee had to say.

Sorry to say, I'm more in line with Lee than Black Kos.

And I'm still hurting, too.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Webb — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:35:00 -0000

Sorry about the bad link earlier...they're really analyzing our intracommunity strife at the NYT. I know there are a lot of folks here on the "pews," but I tend to concur with the voices from the "pulpit"...even though I'm in the younger generation.

Barack did what he had to do...and I respect that.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

rikyrah — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:16:00 -0000

b-serious,

it's so blatant, they aren't even pretending anymore. You can go over to DailyKos, they have names and phone numbers to call. But, yeah, it's bascially a free hour of advertising for Hillpatine.

Have they offered the same to Obama and McCain?

If not, then hell yeah, it's ridiculous.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

rikyrah — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:14:00 -0000

Michelle,

I read that. And, you know, I hope this is the case, because the other thought is just too painful, ya know?

I'm still hurting.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

B-Serious — Thu, 01 May 2008 21:33:00 -0000

"Equal Time" issues? What do you think?:

US CODE: Title 47, sec. 315

If any licensee shall permit any person who is a legally qualified candidate for any public office to use a broadcasting station, he shall afford equal opportunities to all other such candidates for that office in the use of such broadcasting station: Provided, That such licensee shall have no power of censorship over the material broadcast under the provisions of this section. No obligation is imposed under this subsection upon any licensee to allow the use of its station by any such candidate. Appearance by a legally qualified candidate on any—

(1) bona fide newscast,

(2) bona fide news interview,

(3) bona fide news documentary (if the appearance of the candidate is incidental to the presentation of the subject or subjects covered by the news documentary), or

(4) on-the-spot coverage of bona fide news events (including but not limited to political conventions and activities incidental thereto),

shall not be deemed to be use of a broadcasting station within the meaning of this subsection. Nothing in the foregoing sentence shall be construed as relieving broadcasters, in connection with the presentation of newscasts, news interviews, news documentaries, and on-the-spot coverage of news events, from the obligation imposed upon them under this chapter to operate in the public interest and to afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views on issues of public importance.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

B-Serious — Thu, 01 May 2008 21:31:00 -0000

mentioned in the Joe Andrews thread:

"Drudge is reporting that Clinton will have an Indiana town hall on Sunday, aired by ABC, and hosted by (drum roll) - George Stephanapolous!"

Ok, I have a SERIOUS problem with this.

Doesn't this strike anyone else as being kind of odd?

My point is this:

Besides the obvious conflict of interest posed by a former Clinton staffer hosting a Clinton town hall event . . .

Aren't there any "EQUAL TIME" legal issues with this town hall event?

Seriously.

I mean, we're basically talking about a 1 hour pro-Hillary event on national broadcast television.

It's not like this is an interview. It's a town hall meeting where she'll likely get to control the direction of the conversation and, quite possibly, the questions themselves.

Why is ABC giving her a 1 hour block of free air time?

Maybe I'm mistaken, but this raises some serious concerns for me.

They'd have to do the same for Obama and McCain.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Michelle — Thu, 01 May 2008 21:15:00 -0000

I wonder what people here at Jack and Jill think of the perspective in this essay:

Black Kos, Sistah Speak on Rev. Wright

Here's an excerpt: I keep wondering if in his actions, Wright wasn’t giving Obama what he needed to move forward. Jeremiah is not a stupid man. I do not believe he is jealous of Obama. I do not believe he is a narcissist. The narcissists get the million dollar home as soon as the church can afford it. They don’t put the church’s money into programs.

I’m sure I saw something in Jeremiah’s eyes.

I do not believe for one moment he needs attention. When you have a church for as long as he, attention is something you get plenty of. One day I’ll tell you how I know.

No, what I believe he intended to do was take the attention and shape it to Obama’s need. This he did. He said over a year ago that Obama would need to distance himself from him. Since Obama couldn’t bring himself to do it, Wright did it for him.

Anyway to read the whole thing, go here.

(I don't know what to think about it. If true, it would explain something I have found puzzling in my own reaction to the whole thing. But really I don't know what to think about it. Of course I haven't actually seen that Q&A.; I have read comments on it and take descriptions from rikyrah and others in that vein as accurate. I did read the Moyers interview transcript)

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

TruthSeeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:59:00 -0000

How superdelegates can break up with Hillary

Funny help for Superdelegates with cold feet.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

TruthSeeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:52:00 -0000

Michigan's Fake Primary Produced Fake Results

I've been dying for someone to write about this. Gives some background on what happened in Michigan's primary.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Texas Girl in L.A. — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:38:00 -0000

Great interview on Keith O with the Obamas

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Texas Girl in L.A. — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:31:00 -0000

Truthseeker,

Ok. You gotta stop with the Bill visuals...

uummmm...yeah..ya gotta stop

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

TruthSeeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:10:00 -0000

Baptist Minister Asks McCain: "Did You Call Your Wife A C**t?" (VIDEO)

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

TruthSeeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 19:47:00 -0000

Hey Michelle!

How do I know Bill's got flabby thighs? A clip from when he was President..he was jogging in short shorts. Sorry for the imagery..lol just had to share the love.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

rikyrah — Thu, 01 May 2008 19:43:00 -0000

Got this from the comments section at Booker Rising:

Three Candidates, Two Sets of Rules - Is It Racism?

From the blogs at the Houston Chronicle:

This one actually popped up in the Houstron Chronicle (shock!) - which in editorial content is usually about as right wing and racist as it gets in mainstram media in America -

Three Candidates, Two Sets of Rules - Is It Racism?

Posted 5/1/2008 8:40 AM CDT

Why is it that the rules are different for Barack Obama, the African-American candidate, than the rules for Hillary Clinton and John McCain, the white candidates? Does it come from an inherent unfairness due to generations of stereotyping, or does it possibly result from an xenophobic fear of those who are different from us? Is it simply media in a feeding frenzy or is it scorched earth politics from blind ambition that destroys innocent people’s reputations just to gain advantage?

What am I talking about? I’m talking about the elephant in the room that everyone ignores. The elephant is the different standards we have for a black candidate than we have for a white one. Is it true? Absolutely. Here are a few examples: Neither Hillary or McCain wear flag pins on their lapels. Obama gets blasted by the media and right wing hate sites for not wearing one. Why is that? Why is it that he gets the question about it in every debate, but it’s never been asked of the other candidates? Why do Hillary and McCain get a free pass? Obama is clearly a patriotic American who says the pledge of allegiance and loves his country, but is continually questioned in the media about that.

Hillary has been knowingly married to a lying, philandering skirt chaser for 33 years. She never gets her judgment or character questioned about that. McCain is on his second marriage to a woman he dated while still married to his first wife. He never gets questions about that. So, then, why is it that Obama, married for 16 years to Michelle, and father to 2 beautiful daughters, has his character, family values, and judgment continually called into question while the media COMPLETELY IGNORES Hillary’s and McCain’s dysfunctional family life and judgment?

John McCain actively sought the endorsement of John Hagee, a war mongering, racist, radical right wing preacher who’s known for his fiery rhetoric and has publicly called the Catholic church “the great whore”. The media gives him a pass, yet Obama is continually raked over the coals for his relationship with his pastor who has also made inflammatory statements. What is the difference? Where is the media outrage over John Hagee? Non-existent.

Hillary and Bill have earned over $100 million in the last 10 years, not counting 2007. McCain is married to a woman estimated to be worth over $100 million. Obama, who started with nothing, earned $4 million from book sales last year. Who’s the elitist in the media’s eyes? Obama. CNN even gave McCain a complete pass on Cindy not releasing her tax returns and actually listed him below Obama in family net worth. They’ve also completely ignored him using her private jet in apparent violation of his own campaign finance law.

McCain also admits he understands little about the economy, continually gaffs on foreign policy, yet the media paints Obama as the lightweight. Hillary has little more experience than Obama in government service or management, grossly inflates her participation in her husband's administration, yet she gets a pass on her lie that she has 35 years experience, and again, Obama gets painted as inexperienced.

Hillary and McCain are both well known for not being able to hold their tempers. In fact she's famous for her lamp incident with Bill, so what happens? Obama gets painted as "too nice". Come again?

What’s going on here? After watching this for over a year, I’ve come to the conclusion that it is just what I feared: Incipient racism, xenophobia; organic in form, subtle, yet plain as the nose on your face if you just look for it. To me, there is no other logical reason for the two sets of rules, the unfairness of coverage, the application of standards.

Food for thought.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

TruthSeeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 19:43:00 -0000

someone posted on the Obama blogs that he's on Letterman and Olbermann tonight.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

rikyrah — Thu, 01 May 2008 19:38:00 -0000

Spike Lee weighs in on Jeremiah Wright.

Do the right thing and shut up, Lee urges pastor

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

rikyrah — Thu, 01 May 2008 19:36:00 -0000

Webb, I was LMAO at that too.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Michelle — Thu, 01 May 2008 18:52:00 -0000

I got this info from the comments section at The Field:

Iran complains to UN about Clinton's 'provocative' remarks

Got to that link from thepage.time.com, here

PS Truthseeker, thanks, I really could have done without this image in my head: Or Bill Clinton's quivering, flabby thighs while he took sexual advantage of Monica. The eyes of my imagination hurt now. Ow.