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he called the CURRENT Mrs. McCain, The ' C' word.
and, THIS is a man they could vote for. Uh huh.
I sent the Tim Wise's post to the Field Negro, (after warning him it was off-topic) nominating Mr. Wise for Honorary Field Negro, then revising it to Honorary Field Negro of the Year.
You and Evita may want to contact him (it was you two who brought this about, not me).
Hat tip to JJP for posting Tim Wise's Open Letter. I had to step away from youtube and MSM to collectively get my thoughts together and Mr. Wise's words adequately expresses how most blacks feel and think about the "outrage" of Hillary supporters.
If these women are actually that stupid that the overwhelmingly bad idea of voting for a Republican doesn't get them, maybe all they need to do is read the story of the first Mrs. McCain to know what an idiotic move backing McSame, McBush, McLiar would be.
Tue Jun 10, 08:20:00 AM 2008
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Thank for posting this celticdiva. I almost forgot McCain's character deficiencies as a liar, a cheat, and a phony. Man of valor? He showed no honor when he cheated on his 1st wife. what a sad story indeed.
The general election and 527's are gonna tear his ass up.
Our candidate won. Period. We don't have to deal with rejection or any of the feelings that Clinton supporters are going thru. We have to be the bigger person.
That said... as much as I hate saying this... we need the Clinton supporters to win in November. Obama can't win without them. That's a fact.
So the next time you run into one of these women, take a deep breath, remember your candidate is still in it, and put yourself in their shoes. Explain why Obama is a good choice and most importantly, listen to what they have to say. You can't win over new supporters by throwing Clinton's defeat in their face.
"You could always have said you were going to go out and vote for Cynthia McKinney. After all, she is a woman, running with the Green Party, and she's progressive, and she's a feminist. But that isn't your threat is it? No. You're not threatening to vote for the woman, or even the feminist woman. Rather, you are threatening to vote for the white man, and to reject not only the black man who you feel stole Clinton's birthright, but even the black woman in the race. And I wonder why?"
I left the Democrats twenty years ago when they told me that my activism in the Central America solidarity and South African anti-apartheid movements made me a security risk, and that I wouldn't be able to get clearance to be in some parade with Governor Dukakis.
oh my.
And you wonder why women of color have, for so long, thought (by and large) that white so-called feminists were phony as hell?
mmm mmmm mmmm.
They would have supported the white woman--hell, for many black folks, before Obama showed his mettle they were downright excited to do so--but you won't support the black man. And yet you have the audacity to insist that it is you who are the most loyal constituency of the Democratic Party, and the one before whom Party leaders should bow down, and whose feet must be kissed?
Your whiteness is showing.
...jaw dropped...
watch him be ignored. they won't be able to dismiss him, with the stuff spoken of yesterday in the African sister's article. so they'll just pretend he never said any of this. watch. What's Tim Wise' background, by the way?
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I'm not all that concerned about the feelings of rejections and hurts that the Clinton supporters are going through. I'm pretty sure the Edwards, Richardon, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, etc. supporters felt down after their candidate stepped down.
I'm pretty sure the Romney and Huckabee supporters felt sad, too.
But none of these groups of supporters need the coddling and stroking the Hillary Clinton supporters apparently need, and that's not a good look.
My attitude is "get on the train or go to another station." The Hillary supporters that need all this hand holding and ass kissing will NEVER be satisfied as long as Obama is the nominee. Period. Obama could offer Hillary the VP spot and they still would be up in arms because Hillary is #2 and not #1.
It makes no sense to appease or court the Harriet Christians and Geraldine Ferraros of the world because they think Barack Obama is an inadequate black male. Neither one of these chicks would screaming this loud if John Edwards or Joe Biden were the nominee and they certainly wouldn't be calling them inadequate white males.
The majority of the Hillary supporters are going to swing Obama's way come November. The ones like Ferraro and Christian who feel an inadequate black male stole the nomination from Hillary aren't, and those are the ones screaming and raising cain about needing time to deal with the hurt and rejection and demanding that Obama & his supporters kiss their ass.
Don't forget when someone yelled out at his rally something to the affect of, Are we gonna beat the B (referring to Hillary CLinton) all he did was laugh! I would suspect a true feminist would not stand for this. With this said, it has to be the anti-Black vote!
Against Race Politics
most of these rabid Clintonistas are still in their anger phase. eventually they'll come around.
but there'll be a lot of bitching and moaning in the meantime.
I loved it.
Do you have a link?
Go to TimWise.org and hit the essays.
@Against Race Politics
firstly it is ironic that you choose THIS as your handle, since it is exactly what you are playing when you choose to assert that a Obama has a responsibility to protect the white woman. It is really easy to proclaim Obama is bad for not interrupting a speech he was making to take on the HIS passionate crowd, but Hillary Clinton had a months to interject how inappropriate the her supporters have been. That said, you can be racist without using the word race that is by deeming our issues invisible and not as important. Re read the article.
Take a look at the blogs on Hillary's site. They've been blocking positive messages but recently, a lot of them have come through of women who are sad but say they will support Obama.
If you look at earlier posts, you'll see almost all comments are "nobama", "I will not vote Obama" etc. Needless to say, they were probably mostly from Republican troublemakers. What is disturbing is that the webmaster deliberately posted those messages and denied more positive ones. I read somewhere, that after Hillary's speech, women were upset that their unity messages were not getting through. Well, it seems that's been rectified.
Some of her supporters remain defiant, but I think as time goes on and the realities of McCain become apparent, they will reconsider. Certainly, there will be a group that will never return, but they'll be made irrelevant by the new registrations.
Our candidate won. Period. We don't have to deal with rejection or any of the feelings that Clinton supporters are going thru. We have to be the bigger person.
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To take a page right out of feminism I would encourage us to use a BOTH/AND framework to this challenge. EITHER/OR approaches to this moment in time would require us a people of color, to not take up the issues we have with (some) feminists. So yes, we should and will push forward, but we should also consider the pain and anger that comes from experiencing oppression from a group we have had so much history with. They have benefited from Civil Rights legislation more so than people of color!
You know aside from Hillary there were MANY white women who had the power to broaden the discussion of power, privilege, and the experience of difference in the media... and they added fuel to fires I have burning inside of me this last year.
I think we women of color should do something about. Is it time for women of color to raise up and communicate our discontent?
Town- I'm still fighting for this nation, and having Senator Obama become President is just one important goal.
Calling white women who support Hillary racist.
Your arrogance is showing.
Backlash?
Thank you SO much for saying what I haven't the skill to say.
I have been so pained by this primary, I have shed many tears. Where were the "feminists" when Bill O'Reilly talked about lynching Michelle Obama? Or any of the sexism directed at her? Uh-huh. I thought so.
But I was crushed to tears the other day to read this post, and view the video that came with it:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/9/131158/5063
Of course there was misogyny in this campaign. Duh. What pains me is the lack of awareness of the racism in this campaign. Don't you think I could make a video 10 times the length of that if I enumerated every example of racism that Obama faced? C'mon.
And now I am being asked to "make nice" to these people, and to acknowledge their "pain. I am not there yet.
I wish that acknowledgement would go both ways, is all.
Thank you for listening.
No, I believe against race politics was referring to John McCain when he laughed off the question of 'How will we beat the bitch?' No one ever said that to Obama. That said, I really don't think Bo has to make a gender speech (as has been suggested) to court Hilary supporters. Like town said, it won't be enough for some of her rabid supporters. They're the same ones who picked apart ANYTHING and EVERYTHING he did-from
pulling out her chair to calling her 'likable enough'-as sexist and demeaning. Whatever!
I loved this Tim Wise piece-he hit it right on the head!
He has as much "experience" as Abe Lincoln did.
Thank you JJP for sharing this! YOU are to be BLESSED for this!!
Yep.
I've been over there.
Hillary could have fought Obama on the issues.
She didn't.
She could have contested Obama for the black vote.
She didn't.
She ran a terrible campaign, but the posters at TGW don't want to hear it.
If feminists want to vote for a man who called his second wife a c**t, they can knock themselves out, as far as I'm concerned.
The feminists over at TGW won't attack Mr. Wise's points; it's "a MAN telling US what to think!"
Like, whatever.
I was referring to McCain, darling. Obama had nothing to do with this!
Against Race Politics
Absolutely agreed. I, for one, am not interested in trying to convince a vocal minority of Hillary supporters who would like to throw their rights to the wind because Senator Clinton is not the nominee. They are so emotionally wrapped around her that they cannot see the forest for the trees.
I'm finished with them. I'll keep concerning my self with Independents and on the fence Republicans (like the two on my team at work who have always voted Rethug--and are all about the O man) I think that is where we should be concentrating. The rest of them can get on the bus or stay at the stop in the rain.
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I agree! John McCain is clearly letting it show how he feels about women whom he thinks has become a burden to him! Cheating on a diabled wife that adored him & then abandoning her when she needed him most. And yet she still does not hold bitter feelings against him!
Whew..couldn't be me! Quoting Rikyrah...Hell to the naw!
They learned how to get what they want through manipulation, feigned outrage and lies. To them, feminism is cover.
I cosign to all that has been said! Truthseeker you are right it's all about manipulation and Jonzee is correct, why worry about these rabid folks who say they won't vote for Obama ... they won't ... period and as she said, leave they ass in the rain. Everyone else hop aboard!!!
For White Girls Who Considered Fratricide When the Rainbow is Enuf
These two essays together need to get widespread readership.
Tim Wise is no joke.
Thank you JJP and Admiral Komack for posting this!And of course, Tim Wise for writing it.
Thanks, but Tim Wise, CPL, evita, and JJP actually deserve the thanks.
Just giving credit where credit is due.
The thing is, I used to like Tennessee Guerrilla Women, but now...nope.
I'm finished with them. I'll keep concerning my self with Independents and on the fence Republicans (like the two on my team at work who have always voted Rethug--and are all about the O man) I think that is where we should be concentrating. The rest of them can get on the bus or stay at the stop in the rain."
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What if Obama had that mindset? Would he be the nominee? What if Obama said to David Plouffe, "You know what Dave... why are we wasting time in Wyoming and Utah and all these smaller predominantly white states? They're not voting for me in the general election anyway, so screw 'em."
Remember, Obama isn't President yet....
I've already spread this around to my set of folks to chew on and check out.
And yes, I would co-sign on having Field declare Tim Wise "Field Negro of the Week." The jigging must indeed stop!
Senator Clinton did not have a legitimate claim to the experience her campaign pushed.
Senator Obama is older than Pres. Clinton was when we elected him, and served in the state legislature for over a decade while teaching constitutional law at U Chicago. She has four years on him in the Senate-- a drop in the bucket compared to McCain's 26 years in his seat.
The inherent contradiction here is that Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton have virtually the same amount of political experience. If someone is voting solely on the number of years the candidate has held office, they shouldn't be switching from Clinton-- they should have been supporting McCain from the start.
Hence, the argument that Obama is not experienced enough is flawed when coming from former Clinton partisans and belies their true feelings.
Tim Wise is a white person who makes a living from being a professional white "antiracist," meaning writing and speaking about these things. That is what gets him his money.
There is a sort of white scam going on IMO. The scam rests on the assumption that it challenges racism for white people to bank on the racism of other white people who will not listen to people of color. Instead of focusing on that not-listening as a problem, the professional white person steps in to translate (saying that s/he must do so FIRST before white people will even consider listening to people of color saying the same thing) and everyone gets really excited about it.
One of my very early comments on this site (JJP) about this situation got posted by a friend of mine onto a livejournal discussion, which I will link below. For context and because it was not clear to me at the time, I should mention that the person in that discussion who is most actively defending Mr. Wise (schoolofsoul) tries to present as a Black person but is in fact white and made all sorts of racist trouble on the list later.
I Know Everybody Loves Tim Wise, But ...
There is a HUGE amount of writing on white feminist racism on the net and also going back at least 2-3 decades -- by feminist women of color. The fact that these mostly old-time feminists STILL don't get it and everyone supposedly needs a professional white anti-racist to step and say something is extremely notable to me.
By the way, where were these same white women four years ago when Carol Moseley Braun ran for president? Oh, that's right! She's a BLACK woman!
I'm not going to stop there! Let's go back 36 years ago when Shirley Chisholm ran for president? Oh, that's right! She's a BLACK woman!
Granted Braun and Chisholm's campaigns were "symbolic;" however, with apologies Sojourner Truth, "ain't they a women?"
Tim Wise should publish this posting of every liberal blog he can find.
Admiral Komack, I still am glad you posted this at Ten. Guer.,
Remember, Obama isn't President yet....
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You're assuming that most of Hillary's supporters have the same mindset as the Harriet Christian/Geraldine Ferraros of the world and they don't.
Most of Hillary's supporters will go vote for Obama. It's a small, loud and wrong segment that's screaming that Obama needs to kiss their asses before they'll vote for him. They see Obama as an inadequate black male and short of him stepping down and handing the nomination to Hillary or turning white like TC Carson in "Livin' Large", there's nothing he can do to appease those people.
You cannot even compare Wyoming, Utah and Iowa to Hillary's stans because Wyoming, Utah and Iowa never stood up and said "You're an inadequate black male who wouldn't have even run for President until a white WOMAN ran, you stole Hillary's show."
Remember, it wasn't so long ago that a black man could be jailed or killed for sassing a white woman and the Harriet Christians and Geraldine Ferraros remember that time well. And basically they are invoking that time when they "threaten to withhold" their votes from Obama.
They weren't going to vote for Obama in the first place, so there's no need to appease the Harriet Christians of the world.
All Obama can do is state his case and let the chips fall where they may. But under no circumstances should he kiss the asses of the Geraldine Ferraro faction of the Democratic party because they aren't going to vote for him because they are miffed that a black man stole their show.
Admiral Komack, I still am glad you posted this at Ten. Guer.,
-Point taken. :-)
Thank you very much.
There is a sort of white scam going on IMO.
I think 'the scam' is purely your perception.
I don't think Wise says it better than blacks or other people of color. However, it's also been my experience, especially living in a place like Wisconsin, that when certain whites echo exactly what I tell the same people, that's the only time, it appears that they give me credence. And that could be on any issue, even those unrelated to politics.
There are times, I admit, that I don't agree with everything Wise says. And if he is getting paid, then so is someone like Dave Zirin, with his Edge of Sports blog and books on Muhammad Ali and blacks in sport. So is Cornel, btw.
I truly think this is a non-issue; I retain my admiration for people like Wise because getting paid is small time compared to getting the message out.
It's too bad that he isn't on "Countdown" or "Real Time" with Maher. Else he'd really be making the ducats, right?
There are two issues on the table as I see it.
One is the election- Obama's work is ahead of him and all of us for sure.
The second is the flare of up of old school racism in the feminist movement.
In this election- those to issues converge. For many ont his site your only concern is the election. Ok I get that. For the others, especially women of color who have been living Sojouner's TRUTH [asking the perpetual question: And ain't I a woman?] this issue was yet another historical smack in the face. I don't want to be smacked around and treated as an insignificant demographic anymore. This invisibility and general insignificance permeates into EVERY aspect of our society from health to wealth.
And yes, I am a woman.
Clinton Urges Her Delegates To Back Obama
I would love to have been a fly on the wall during their private meeting and Feinstein's pad.
come on now.
she can 'call' for them to be 'on board', but she hasn't ended her campaign..only 'suspended' it.
she cannot be trusted. under any circumstances. Obama can pretend that he believes that, but to actually believe that would be foolish to the extreme.
Good.
These people are getting way too crazy. About a dap?
They couldn't back that up when their own kids do it, so out she went.
Senator Barbara Boxer is the first person whom I've heard mention Michelle Obama in regards to the women's struggle.
It would've been even better if these words came from a white woman, because these faux feminists will just dismiss Mr. Wise as another man trying to tell them what to do.
Thanks for the article but you definitely do not need the validation of white feminists. You are stronger
than they are in the first place!
I mean this in the best possible way.
telling Clinton supporters and ALL
blue collar workers that Obama is the candidate who is best suited to what
is needed by them. To do anything else means they lose!
Maybe, just maybe, she's had a successful intervention.
I guess I just wanna be optimistic. ;)
About damned time, too.
Now, when will they get rid of the rest of Fox and Friends' crew?
You can never trust a man named "Doocy" - there's a joke just in that guy's last name alone.
Senator Barbara Boxer is the first person whom I've heard mention Michelle Obama in regards to the women's struggle.
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When? Where?
Like Tim Wise said, "Their whiteness is showing".
Just like Hillary killed all good will within the Black community, bigots like Gerry the Klanswoman and Harriet "the Harpy" Christian, continue to finish any remaining good will, especially among women of color, off.
They were all too ready to come into Black Communities and agitate for a sista to claim her "rights" as a woman, when she had yet to claim those same equality rights as being a Negro.
Somehow, the original Black Panthers made that point, but they drowned it out with their own sexism towards their Black women.
See how fast they run to us when all of Affirmative Action is wiped out and they're placed back into being second-class citizens.
I've worked in Civil Rights for over 20 years - and I've never seen a white woman who didn't benefit from Affirmative Action before a Sista or a Brotha did. They conveniently forget that. In asking Barack Obama to kiss their asses in order to get their votes, I think, as Black Women, we need to send those harpies a reminder that if it weren't for sistas like Barbara Jordan and Shirley Chisholm, they wouldn't have jack, because those sistas had to prop Betty Friedan and crew when they came along, anyway.
Sistas had to teach the Betty Friedans of America how to get in those trenches and fight like the brothas.
How soon they forget that.
They decisions are based solely on emotion and the more they stay emotionally geared up the more entrenched their positions become.
Best to just leave it alone and soon cooler heads will prevail.
Any white woman who supported Hillary coming to this site would be shocked at the vitriol spewed here.
Unity? My a**
Today during an intervew with Wolf Blitzer during the Situatiion Room.
She was really handling him regarding whether or not women would support Obama. She silenced all of his fast talking.
That is because you are white and cannot stand to hear the truth.
But you just keep coming and coming!
It is not their whiteness that is showing, it is their hatred of men that is showing. The more men in the party try and pressure them into accepting Obama, the greater the backlash.
They decisions are based solely on emotion and the more they stay emotionally geared up the more entrenched their positions become.
Best to just leave it alone and soon cooler heads will prevail.
Any white woman who supported Hillary coming to this site would be shocked at the vitriol spewed here.
Unity? My a**
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I think the point for many on this site that the focus not be soley on the white feminist perspective. The article is:
An Open Letter to Certain White Women Who Are Threatening to Withhold Support from Obama in November
Here's an important fact: There have been just about 500 years of slavery and other legal forms of oppressing black people in the United States which ended just 45 years ago or so.
You use the word vitriol like, again, we are not allowed to be angry to be treated as less than white people. This word assumes that white people and black people are treated fairly and equally in this land.
There is a HUGE difference between saying we are born equal under the stars and our experiences are equitable. You speak from the position of the former, we, the latter. Silence does not help secure equity. It ensures the status quo.
I want Unity. Acknowledge the racism and we'll be on that path.
Lemme get this straight, when white women complain about sexism they are being "emotional." When black women complain about racism they are guilty of spewing "vitriol."
GTFOH with that crap.
Junglecat
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No, it's their whiteness that is showing. Because they are telling Obama, "Kiss our asses and grovel for our vote, or we'll vote for the white guy."
As someone has repeatedly said, why not vote for Cynthia McKinney? Ain't she a woman?
You're mad that a man "stole your show," so to fix him, you'll vote for...another man?
Get outta here with that crap! We all know nothing would be said by these so-called "feminists" if Chris Dodd or Joe Biden were the nominee.
If this faction were "hating on men," they would have started with Bill Clinton, who disrespected Hillary on a world wide stage, not to mention all the Paula Jones' and Monica Lewinskys' he ran across.
Yeah, their whiteness is showing. YOUR whiteness is showing when you fix your fingers to chastise US for "spewing vitriol," but leave the Harriet Christians and Geraldine Ferraros unchecked. Ok. Whatev.
Thanks. I almost refuse to watch CNN.
I was just scrolling down the comments and was going to post the same thing. Tim Wise is telling the 'truth', but it is related to issues from the perspective of a white supremacy meme. So yes when we read his works he is preaching to the choir for the most part because we already know this. It is helpful for him to address white audiences and I would like to know how these issues will be resolved to our satisfaction. On one hand you could look at it as him being an anti-racism 'hustler'. If he was given special attention over other people of color saying the same things then it would be a perpetuation of that same meme he is denigrating. Like Obama has said racism is not static. As painful and uncomfortable as this all is, it's necessary so we can take steps past it, while still holding people accountable.
Evita @ 2:14pm YES! YES! YES!
I know, it's very painful, but I watch occassionally just to see what mess they're stirring up so I'm not surprised later.
They are working to keep the Hillary supporters fumed by repeating the Hillary for VP call that they know is not going to happen.
The interview with Boxer was worth watching though because she thoroughly squashed pro Hillary Blitzer's cry about what the Hillary voters are going to do.
It's really hard to watch any news anymore as I don't beleive Obama is given the respect that he deserves as. Which is evidenced by the continual coverage of the candidate that lost.
I would like to see Boxer out front more often. She point blank told Blitzer that they like to stir up trouble where there is none and proceeded to discount the fact that women when faced with Mccain's positions (which need outlined one by one) would vote for them.
I was especially please that she reminded Bliter and the viewers that Michelle is also a woman and working mother. I believe she also mentioned obama's mother, a single parent who had worked hard.
I wish the women in the party would come out in support just like Boxer did. Barack Obama is the epitome of what the American Dream cultivates. His success is what every decent, hardworking, loving parent would want for their child, especially a single mother.
It's not only white women who love Hillary going nuts, it's an AA woman who writes a blog called Sugar N Spice and she has flipped to the point Obama is the second coming of Satan. This lady makes me shake my head and wonder if she is for real or should I be calling the Secret Service to keep an eye out on her.
She is scary and she's not following her leader's (Hillary) lead.
I am a Clinton supporter and not one who plans to support McCain, and I am actively arguing with those who think McCain is a reasonable alternative to Obama.
I would just point out 2 things:
a) a lot of Clinton voters believe voting for McCain sends a "message" to the DNC/Howard Dean/Pelosi etc. about how Clinton was treated re: the sexism and misogyny they witnessed. I'm really concerned with the convoluted idea here that voting for the GOP somehow counts as "protest" against party elites. It has little to do with Obama in this scenario.
The only other thing I'd say is that I know many Clinton supporters who are planning to vote Green/for Cynthia McKinney. I've seen another post besides this one saying disgruntled Clinton voters aren't considering this and that's not true.
But, at least if they're not going to vote for Obama, they are going to vote their conscious and give it to Cynthia. I can accept that far easier than to give their vote away to a man who represents a third term of Lil' Bush.
Please don't make all feminists sound like racist sore losers. We're not.
I've been a feminist activist for thirty years, I'm white, and I've been for Obama since day one. As have most of my friends and colleagues. And those who were not are certainly not stupid enough to give a vote to the Republicans.
Get out there in cyberspace and see what grassroots feminists are saying. You can try Bitchphd.com for a start.
Do you have other sites you can recommend besides Bitchphd.com?
(I just want more than one site to look at)?
Thank you.
Wise isn't running a scam. He's writing and talking about what he thinks is important in this country. So many White folks are racist that his perspective makes him unusual enough to get some attention, but if his perspective is on target, how could it be a bad thing for him to be heard in addition to (not instead of) African-American voices?
The fact that White people are not rushing to the altar over what he says does not in the least make it irrelevant. The African-Americans who gave their lives to fight The Power over the last 500 years did not live and die in vain just because institutionalized oppression in the name of racism still exists in this country. And to suggest that Tim Wise should sit down and shut up because he's not a person of color would be the same as suggesting that White "conductors" on the Underground Railroad should have stayed out of it. Some White people try to steal what ain't theirs. But some of us are just trying to be useful.
Thank you. I was irrationally afraid to come back to this discussion after posting what I did. I am critical of this, and I know some others are too -- but there's this feeling in me that speaking about this publicly seems to break some sort of invisible rule and so bad things might happen. So I avoided even coming back to this thread til right now. Me being crazy, I guess.
Well ... if racism isn't static, as Senator Obama says, and this piece about white people's willingness to actually listen to people of color as actual real legitimate humans were to change, Tim Wise would have to find another way to make a living. And there would be various losses to white people who are accustomed to getting praise and other benefits from being the "good ones" who must then translate to the "bad ones" in order for certain things to be heard.
In other words: I wonder if there is some hidden investment in it staying static among those who benefit, and if so what does that investment look like in practice.
Yeah, I guess it is too bad we don't see him on TV as much as say, Jesse Lee Peterson, but I guess Jesse is just that much better, huh?
So I was over at Huffingtonpost.com
and was pretty disturbed at something I read...Now I knew Faux news was bad..but I didn't know it was this bad. They have already had to fire an anchor woman for referring to Barack and Michelle's fist bump as a "terrorist fist jab." Now some other simple ass chick has called Michelle, "Barack's Baby Mama"... I think we really need to do something about this news.
HERE'S THE LINK
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/fox-news-calls-michelle-o_n_106655.html