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RobM — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:48:37 -0000

I heard him at the Chicago Jazz fest in 78 or 79. He came on after Illinois Jacquet. He didn't say a word. They just played and walked off stage. People were just blown away. The only way to describe it is the way the chicago Jazz station described Miles' Bitches Brew, "I don't know why I'm playing this". It was war afterwards

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Guns3000 — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:07:13 -0000

Licenses revoked. Put a fork in them.

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:34:29 -0000

NOOOO!

"Mr. Accountablility" stiffed the school!

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:30:35 -0000

Because We Must Honor The Sacrifices That Hundreds Of Thousands Of Invisible Teabaggers May Have Made

-So let them soak in a vat of battery acid...and stick Glen Beck in there with them.

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Plantsmantx — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:32:35 -0000

Interesting. Sometimes, I think I'm becoming somewhat less able to hear what I heard in in this music years ago. It's strange, because this is the kind of music I gravitated to when I first began listening to jazz. I'm pretty sure the first jazz album I bought was Anthony Braxton's "Five Pieces 1975"

http://jazzsermon.com/liste...

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RobM — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:09:59 -0000

I continue to ask because they changed the consitution in 1963 and i am not sure these laws haven't been "displaced?"

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RobM — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:59:53 -0000

It's just they out multiply fibonnacci.

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RobM — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:56:38 -0000

The troop number is a red herring. It should not have been leaked and/or McChrystal less loosed lip in its regard.

McChrystal is viewing the troops as necessary to keep control and safety of key areas of Afghanistan. He knows he cannot stop every suicide bomber. He can set up postions where the local people can come and receive services. He can protect dams, irrigation canals, schools-intially for men and agricultural information, protect the market place where people exchange goods,services and ideas.

The goal is to reach critical mass of services, goods and educated people.The latter is the most imortant of the three. Educate people can then read the Koran themselves or have their children read it to them. If that happens you have competetion of ideas about Islam. You have soldiers and police whom can handle their responsiblities. The law becomes more civil and less religious. You will not have people abandoning their families to AQ Islamic law. Most importantly they will turn against AQ when AQ forces them to chose between AQ's version of law and their culture. .

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JeffL — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:24:47 -0000

The "scary stuff" I'm talking about some of the simplistic rationales floated about the MSM and even some blogs. And they usually have Pakistani nukes in the response.

I'm not saying there is a concern. I'm also concerned. I'm saying there is a question of probabilities and some of the scary scenarios that get floated to justify an escalation in Afghanistan are getting a little remote in terms of probabilities.

I agree that a more informed, wider scoped and more detailed discussion is needed. Unfortunately that won't fit most cable network infotainment outlets. And I really take your point on fantasy football.

I think one of the things that could help the current national dialog would be if we suddenly took the number of troops off the table. I think Obama could move things forward by building anticipation for his upcoming strategic announcement on Afghanistan. Then when he gives it, he focuses primarily on political, economic and social strategies. The only thing he mentions about troops is the need to keep the same present in order to provide a baseline of security.

An approach like that (for at least one hour before the MSM twists it) would get Americans and others of the world thinking in terms that are likely to be more productive.

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djchefron — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:42:59 -0000

Patience my young jedi.First stop listening to the village,they have been wrong from day one.Democrats know whats at stake.No public option lose their majority.LIEberman will be the one who will throw a monkey wrench if they go the cloture route and if spineless harry dont bring the hammer down then he is toast.Nelson,Landrieu and Lincoln will vote for cloture even if being the streetwalkers that they are vote against the final bill.Remember we only need 51 and right now we have 53 yes votes for a public option.

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:06 -0000

You're assuming they HAVE a heart.

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:10:23 -0000

Were you in the pew with Glenn Beck twenty years ago?
Just wondering.

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:08:34 -0000

...and I have tribbles to sell you.
They don't eat much...really.

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:06:39 -0000

"Honoring a campaign promise, the President today signed into law the Veterans Healthcare Reform and Transparency Act which authorizes Congress to approve veterans' medical care funding one year in advance to better anticipate and meet the demands of the Veterans Administration that provides health care to the nation's veterans."

-The President did WHAT?
Damn socialist! (snark)

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Plantsmantx — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:38:07 -0000

Can they vote against it and still win their seats? I'm not so sure. I don't think these people ran as "Republican lite", I think they ran on socially conservative, but populist appeals to less than affluent whites. You know, the kind of people who don't like blacks that much, but don't mind getting a little something from the government.

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caribgirl — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:35:32 -0000

Schumer is playing to his progressive base by indulging all this reconciliation talk. The idea that they will breakup the bill and do part via reconciliation and part without is unrealistic. The goal has been and will continue to be to get 60 for at least cloture. The question is what does Lieberman, Nelson, Landrieu, and Lincoln want so that they hold the party line.

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dthomas_85 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:32:08 -0000

Obama needs to write a letter to these parents despite the rules : http://www.democracynow.org....

War has such an emotional and devastating effect on these guys.

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caribgirl — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:26:57 -0000

some of the people who will be needed to pass such legislation come from states where they ran and got enough votes to win as republican-lite. People like Landrieu, Lincoln, Nelson, etc. These people can vote against the legislation and still win their seats back in congress next time. So how do you hold their votes?

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Webb — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:25:24 -0000

Hey BlackAmericanPrincess,

Someone forwarded me an email. You need a more direct link? Here you go.

http://weeseeyou.com/2009/1...

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rikyrah — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:20:44 -0000

AFTERNOON OPEN THREAD IS UP

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djchefron — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:44:10 -0000

You ask and since our favorite asshole LIEberman wants to play games this is how it will get passed
Reconciliation, Here We Come
by mcjoan
Share this on Twitter - Reconciliation, Here We Come Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:48:08 AM PDT
In my interview with Sen. Schumer today, I also asked him if reconciliation was still on the table for healthcare reform. He talked about how it wasn't the preferred way to go because of the complications and limitations, but didn't say it wasn't the route anyone wanted to take. Now that Joe Lieberman has pulled another Lieberman, that needs to be revisited.

Back in September, when the potential for reconciliation came up, Schumer thought it had potential. Here he is, in the context of having a full caucus, before Sen. Kennedy's seat had been filled.

Are you planning on having an interim appointment from Massachusetts?

No, I don’t know. That would be up to the Massachusetts state legislature but I know they’re considering it. Ah, so, so the bottom line is that even with 60 or even if Olympia Snowe comes to some kind of agreement, it’s going to be hard, and I’ve always favored using reconciliation for good parts of the bill. I think that will get you the best bill, the strongest bill and the bill that will have the greatest positive effect on the American people. Ultimately, we’ll be judged not by whether we pass the bill, but ultimately we’ll be judged by whether it works. Leaving the bill as something that doesn’t work, even if we pass it, leading to hurting both the country and the party.

Is it possible that using reconciliation will produce an ineffective bill, because of procedural problems like the Byrd rule?

We’ve looked at it and you can’t use reconciliation for everything, [but] you can use it for a good number of things. There’s nothing wrong with using it for the places where you can use it and then trying to get the 60 votes on the places where when you can’t. You’d be surprised — the number of places where you can use it is larger than we first thought.

Let's use reconciliation for the good parts of the bill, like a robust public option that Schumer says would be most effective, and use the regular legislative process for the insurance company refroms, etc.

And, while the Senate is at it, they should be stripping Lieberman's chairmanship and removing him from the caucus.
http://www.dailykos.com/sto...

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dthomas_85 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:21:59 -0000

Agreed

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ronnieb — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:59:01 -0000

Remind Congress that they're *voted* into office; not appointed.

Remind media that consumers make their jobs possible, not corporate sponsors.

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caribgirl — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:49:49 -0000

I don't disagree with you but how do you get such a public option passed in congress?

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TyrenM — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:37:28 -0000

Glad we have Democratic house and senate...Leave Pawlenty, just leave. Where's my girl Spirit, she could put it betta.