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Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Anonymous — Wed, 28 May 2008 12:39:00 -0000

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Plantsmantx — Wed, 28 May 2008 11:02:00 -0000

"The insurgency must be fought-and defeated-at home and abroad."

Exactly who makes up "the insurgency" in the U.S.? For that matter, who makes up the insurgency in Iraq, seeing as how the U.S. has supported both Shia and Sunni fighters at one time or another?

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Ronnie B — Wed, 28 May 2008 08:16:00 -0000

d & s

Thanks for your replies yesterday re: "winning" in Iraq. Sorry I couldn't follow up.

Based, though, on both of your responses, you both believe that we will have won when Iraq's government is stabilized and functional. Both of you know, however, that such a scenario is analogous to beating someone to near-death, and then having the nerve to claim a "victory" once they're off life support and are stabilized.

I'm sure you both also know that the key to "victory" in Viet Nam was similarly stated in those vaguely platitudinal terms. Democracy; stabilized government; blah, blah. But none of those things happened until our government withdrew our military from Viet Nam. In other words, we were part of the problem. Not the solution.

This is why John McCain was correct in his figurative assessment of "100 years" in the region. He knows as well as any that the "victory" that some people tout can take generations to achieve.

Or we can do what we did with Viet Nam and leave so that the people in the region can make their own decisions on how they will conduct their lives.

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D. — Wed, 28 May 2008 02:57:00 -0000

Did Nquest not get the memo about moving past Rev. Wright?

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grw — Wed, 28 May 2008 02:08:00 -0000

Obama confusing a Polish camp with a German one pales in comparisons to a "military vet" and SENATOR not knowing the difference between Sunnis and Shiites in a war he voted for and supports. And, to think, the dumb mf went to Iraq (and brags about) but he doesn't know the most basic of details about a CURRENT event.

What about Obama not knowing that Arabic isn't spoken in Afghanistan? Is that comparable?

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rikyrah — Wed, 28 May 2008 02:04:00 -0000

At U-Va., a Dean Making a Difference

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rikyrah — Wed, 28 May 2008 01:58:00 -0000

Maureen Dowd's latest:

Can He Take a Frisk?

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rikyrah — Wed, 28 May 2008 01:32:00 -0000

Just look at the picture of Eisenhower's Mama.

Come on....getting hints of Bob Barr just looking at her...LOL

Racial heritage of six former presidents is questioned

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texas girl in l.a. — Wed, 28 May 2008 00:46:00 -0000

If someone already posted....sorry for double posting. Found at DailyKos

The Obama staff issued a correction the following day to the Auschwitz/Buchenwald

"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton."

They also offered background on his uncle's unit.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/ar...

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 28 May 2008 00:44:00 -0000

rikyrah

http://www.faithbase.com/ba...

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texas girl in l.a. — Wed, 28 May 2008 00:39:00 -0000

truthseeker,

thanks for posting the link. I was going to go and look for it.

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TruthSeeker — Wed, 28 May 2008 00:28:00 -0000

Here's the Hardball segment with Joan and Joe Madison for anyone who missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This could be turning into "Those black people stole this from Hillary" The Clinton's have people fighting on their behalf. Joan and McAuliffe are on tv destroying their integrity while the Clinton's sit on 50 million dollars, govt. perks and lifetime Secret Service protection. I wish someone would shake some sense into these surrogates. Her campaign staff probably hasn't been paid in weeks.

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Nquest — Wed, 28 May 2008 00:19:00 -0000

D,

Jeremiah Wright served in the military. So, bow down or STFU!

Obama confusing a Polish camp with a German one pales in comparisons to a "military vet" and SENATOR not knowing the difference between Sunnis and Shiites in a war he voted for and supports. And, to think, the dumb mf went to Iraq (and brags about) but he doesn't know the most basic of details about a CURRENT event.

So one that dumb shouldn't even be allowed to run and if his views of his 'pastors' in anyway way reflects his own or a number of flag waving, bs talking (White) Americans then we know why McCain never even bothered to learn the difference by Sunnis and Shiites.

I like, damn... Did the mf ever even pick up a newspaper?

Don't tell me he's another WHITE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION candidate like Bush...

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honey01 — Tue, 27 May 2008 23:23:00 -0000

I meant to say that Joan Walsh, Lisa Caputo, etc become brazen when paired up with Black contributors (not just males).

Is the appropriate word for it, projecting? I dunno, maybe just crazy.

But yeah, they give Michelle B. a hard time.

Thanks BAP for the petition info!

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TruthSeeker — Tue, 27 May 2008 23:15:00 -0000

black american princess,

here's the video:

Video

Some good satire at Huffington:

Ku Klux Klan Won't Endorse Obama

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Black American Princess — Tue, 27 May 2008 23:00:00 -0000

truthseeker, when did O'reilly make that lynch remark about Michelle? These Fox News racists have all got to GO. We should have BEEN boycotted that network to be totally real about it...

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Anonymous — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:54:00 -0000

Fuck Joan Walsh. Get the fuck out of the way Bill & Hill. It's Obama's Party dammit. She's a angry bitch b/c she knows it's over. Hillary & Bill have been sending code messages since South Carolina Primary. Everything they say or do is calculated.

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rikyrah — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:50:00 -0000

Last week Lisa Caputo had her ass handed to her by Chris and she couldn't say sh**, but a day later she was on with (I think Jamal) and she was pulling the crazy white lady routine. Then again, I see this type of behavior of the very candidate they support.

truthseeker and honey,

and don't get them started on Michelle!

They DESPISE Michelle..

But, that's ok...cause we've got Michelle's back.

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TruthSeeker — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:48:00 -0000

They should add O'Reilly to that petition for talking about sending a lynch party for Michelle.

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Black American Princess — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:38:00 -0000

Kinda off topic but I emailed this cat to let him know I plan to boycott their sponsors and am encouraging everyone I know to do the same until they can Liz Trotta for suggesting Obama be "knocked off."

Brian Lewis

Executive Vice President, Corporate Communications

FOX News

1211 Avenue of the Americas

New York, NY 10036

Phone: 212-301-3000

Fax: 212-301-8588

E-Mail: brian.lewis@foxnews.com

As I type this, I am in the process of suffering through Hannity and Colmes to compile a list of Fox News sponsors. I plan to contact each sponsor and tell them why I plan to boycott their products/services.

I'll also mention the petition below to Mr. Lewis of Fox and each sponsor. Since yesterday alone, it has garnered over 6,000 signatures.

This is the last damn straw...

http://www.thepetitionsite....

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Anonymous — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:36:00 -0000

Obama, who hasn’t been to Iraq since 2006 (when the situation was a weeee bit different) said no thanks to John McCain's proposal for a joint trip to Iraq.

Apparently Obama learned all he need to know about Iraq from watching Olbermann.

I guess the idea of sitting down with American troops, their leaders and the elected government of Iraq isn’t as interesting as a world tour of thugs and killers. Perhaps if McCain had suggested skipping Baghdad and going right on to Tehran to chat with Ahmadinejad Obama would have been more interested.

I hope McCain can get some mileage out this. He can beat Obama up for not wanting to see first hand what’s going on in Iraq but also for being unwilling to put partisan politics aside for the sake of the country.

Obama '08: Hope, Change and Bitterly Clinging to an Old Narrative.

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TruthSeeker — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:31:00 -0000

honey01,

You're right, the way she took on Joe. It was like she was trying to put the black man in his place.

As for McCain and that reporter...talk about not answering a reporters question. You didn't hear a peep out of any of those women. McCain has called his wife "cunt". He has made a crude joke about Chelsea being ugly because Janet Reno is her father, which he had to apologize for.

All I hear from these paper tiger feminists is how they're going to vote for anti-choice McCain if Hillary is not on the ticket. But, they put Obama through hell because he's a black man and they want to emasculate him, and make him bow down to them. Ms.martin, you are so right about their unattractiveness.

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heartsandflowers — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:24:00 -0000

D- Bringing up the past relating to why this country occupies another is a valid argument. You can't just talk about a current action without reviewing the entire history. Also past actions tend to favor future actions. You can't ignore something because it makes you uncomfortable or doesn't fit in your limited viewpoints on a subject. I have family that has served and there are some things people never want to talk about in the open about unnecessarily bring harm to civilians and sometimes other soldiers. These themes have been plot devices in movies as well. The writers weren't just pulling ideas out of thin air either. And if I was accused of doing something I didn't do I'd be upset but trust in the system. It is far more likely that the opposite occurs where violations go unreported. Fighting for independence from tyranny and colonialism and looting a nation of its resources are not the same thing.

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Ms.Martin — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:11:00 -0000

" I thought he was going to pimp slap her with his good arm. "

RAOTFLMAO

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honey01 — Tue, 27 May 2008 22:05:00 -0000

Yeah, she was pissed. It was way too personal. Funny as hell though.
Part of me wants to say, forget her and her base. I know that is not realistic. I simply do not understand their logic. All I hear, "it is OUR/HER time". Now, they are starting with lame as sexist sh**, like Obama sometimes refers to female reporters as "sweetie". And? Not a good thing. But you know what, I vividly recall McCain losing his temper with a female reporter aboard his private jet. I thought he was going to pimp slap her with his good arm. That's who they should be worried about.

I liked when Joe asked "who is doing the questioning here, you or Chris? I could be wrong, but I notice some White Hillary supporters will become really brazen when matched up against a male counterpart of late. They don't quite seem to give the same push back to the host. Witness todays episode with Joan Walsh of Salon. She really did not become combative until Joe started to speak. Last week Lisa Caputo had her ass handed to her by Chris and she couldn't say sh**, but a day later she was on with (I think Jamal) and she was pulling the crazy white lady routine. Then again, I see this type of behavior of the very candidate they support.

It's like, where was this gravitas when you were up against Matthews.