DISQUS

Jack and Jill Politics: Tuesday Open Thread: What’s Up, People?

  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Some dude named Jack Johnson, from PG County, is a pledged delegate switching from Clinton to Obama. This guy seems like a finger tester, cause, once upon a time, he used to be for Obama before he was for Clinton.


    I see loyalty isn't his strong suit...LOL
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Which Clinton surrogate turns your stomach? Which one just makes you want to reach for a brick everytime you see them on tv?


    for me:

    Lanny Davis

    That Kiki woman

    Tubbs-Jones



    I don't ever want to see them again
  • Val · 1 year ago
    Rikyrah - I live in Jack Johnson's area. He is an a**hole and we all know it. How in the heck he got folks to elect him is beyond me.
  • Val · 1 year ago
    Jack Johnson is right up there with Tubb-Jones.
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    "Which Clinton surrogate turns your stomach? Which one just makes you want to reach for a brick everytime you see them on tv?"


    Craig Crawford

    Johnathan Capehole

    Lou Dobbs
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    Although some may argue that my original lists doesn't contain surrogates, I'd say they may as well be but a more conventional answer to your question is


    Debbie Wasserman-Shultz

    Paul Begala

    Howard Wolfson
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Lanny Davis
    Lanny Davis

    Lanny Davis

    Lanny Davis

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    Lanny Davis

    Lanny Davis

    Lanny Davis

    Lanny Davis

    .....tubbs-jones a close second
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    Lou Dobbs
    Lanny Davis....gaah!
  • Nquest · 1 year ago
    I just caught some of the Morning Joe show. Bob Herbert was the guest and the crew had this fake disbelief thing going on trying to pretend that there is something wrong with Herbert's conclusion that the Clintons have intentionally engaged in race-baiting. The segment was pathetic (even though Herbert was allowed to make his argument) because they treated a respected journalist like he was a side-show or someone making an outrageous claim.




    That aside: why is Pat Buchanan still on a national TV show?



    Obviously I missed something. The other day D confessed not only that he was a conservative (like I asked him or even care) but he felt compelled to tell me how he agreed with some of what Pat Buchanan had to say. I don't know what the hell he was talking about (I assume D was referring to that be grateful bs) and why he was saying it to me but what in the world has been going on in this blog?



    Can someone point me to the thread where Pat Buchanan and his unwashed White Nationalism was discussed?



    Note: HRC's comment about LBJ was laced with that same kind of White Paternalism and Nationalism.
  • Against Race Politics · 1 year ago
    Speaking of Pat Buchanon, I can't stand Pat, Jr -Tucker Carlson!!!
  • inkognegro · 1 year ago
    Taylor Marsh .for sheer volume..but Sheila Jackson-Lee and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones have garnered honorable Mention.




    But the GOAT Clinton Surrogate HAS to be Bob Johnson.
  • Jonzee · 1 year ago
    Straight from the NY Times--an op ed about how a President Obama would cause issues in negotiating peace in the Middle East because of his Muslim lineage.>


    Its an interesting argument--but for some reason, I don't buy it in this case. Seems lots of folks lose all kinds of religious law when it is in their best interest.



    Besides that, this all the politcal pundits on Faux News need to push the "Obama is a Muslim" bit again. Thank Goodness lots of folks who believe this don't do the Times
  • Jonzee · 1 year ago
    Tubbs-Jones makes my stomach and the stomach of my family members turn...


    She reps my parents district, she went to school with my uncles--and she has been a jerk all her life.
  • inkognegro · 1 year ago
    It is amazing that Pat Buchanan gets to hold forth like a real live Political expert when is essentially a proven hack of unprecedented proportions...


    Rachel Maddow did zing him a good one yesterday when she sneered that Pat was a fine one to talk about how much of a problem Obama will have in South Florida with the Jewish vote when he did SOOOOOOO Well with them in 2000.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    The special election in Mississippi that has race as a central issue as usual with the GIOP candidate using Obama a the new wedge issue with the racial aspect being the center piece. This race is more important than Hill/Billy in West Virginia.
  • Der Vandernder Yid · 1 year ago
    Anyone catch this gem in the ABC poll?


    "The second slot is one possibility: Clinton continues as the preferred choice as Obama’s running mate, with 39 percent of Democrats saying they’d like him to pick her if he's the nominee. That peaks at 59 percent of African-Americans, 47 percent of Clinton supporters and 42 percent of women (vs. 34 percent of men)."



    Whhhhaaa?
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    Most of Hillary Rodham Nixon's surrogoates are serpents.


    Kiki McClean is a bottom feeder.

    Howard Wolfson has satan in his eyes.

    Lanny Davis is pure slither.



    I could go on, but I've already broken my agreement today.



    That article in the NYT is so full of lies, it's laughable. That the times allowed that shit to go to print is all part of the MSM smear to try to make Obama unelectable.



    Nothing else has derailed the Obabma express. So now, someone decided to twist the Muslim smear into a new package to see if it sells. It won't.



    I have no doubt that at some point, Obama will give a speech on religion and politics to push back against all this drivel.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    paul begala called me an egghead
  • Against Race Politics · 1 year ago
    Ink, I wish I had seen that! Rachel has been getting some good ones in lately!
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    When James Carville admits Obama will be the nominee, as he did today, it's truly over.


    The print MSM is peddling fear (Obama will be killed abroad; racism is too powerful at home), while Obama is getting delegates left and right.



    Know hope.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    the moment hillary lost the election was the when she made her lbj/mlk statement in new hampshire. there was is no strategic explanation or rationale. she made her comments because she was frustrated and she thought her campaign was imploding. it was a window in to her true feelings about white paternalism and her sense of personal entitlement. pundits including bill moyers have downplayed what she was saying but i believe it was a huge gaffe and truly revealing. if hillary had treated blacks with respect she would have posted better vote totals and guess what? this election was real close. her petty anger and self destructive vindictiveness was and is her undooing. rip hillary!
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    she also suceeded in alienating anti war activists. blogs like the daily kos gave her every oppurtunity to secure their support. but the unbroken flow of disingenuos talkin points became too much at a certain point. once again a more honest and sincere candidate would have held on to more "eggheads". and guess what? this election was real close. again she was undone by her petty dishonesty and lack of integrity.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    This is powerful stuff.


    They Were Eating Cake.



    Be sure to play the YouTube ad at the end.



    If this ad runs enough in Lousiana before the general election, McCain is in trouble.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    my wife's parents supported hillary and probably donated to their limit. even they get it now. if hillary does not get her shit together and lose with grace, she could find her senate seat challenged. she is lucky she isn't up in 2010.
  • radraheem · 1 year ago
    What's the impact for Barack if stories like this gain traction?


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051203014.html?hpid=topnews
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    Apartheid Victims' U.S. Lawsuit To Proceed
    High Court Can't Intervene Because 4 Justices Forced To Sit Out Case Over Apparent Conflicts

    Comments 6

    WASHINGTON, May 12, 2008





    I haven't had a chance to look into the background of this story but it is especially interesting because during disclosures of corporate interests (a federal court requirement), it was discovered that the justices couldn't hear the case because of the corporate interests they hold in some of the companies named in the lawsuit.



    The one that sticks out for me is Alito who has stock with Exxon mobile.



    Again, I don't know the entire history of the case, but I think it's great that those specially picked to sit on the Court and effect presidence, can't stop this case against state sponsored racism from proceeding because of there associations with the very corporations that are named as aiding in the racism.



    Does anyone know anything about this case?
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Craig,
    So Bush was wrong for celebrating McCain's birthday?



    Do tell: what should he have been doing?
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    D.,


    It's how McCain voted after the disaster that is most revealing.



    He's in trouble. And you know it.



    That's all.
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    D


    You can't really be serious. What should he have been doing the day the levees broke besides celebrating a birthday?



    The rest of the country was in tears - we were talking about the situation in our workplaces, donating money, organizing volunteers to go to Louisiana to help and on and on and on.



    Have you lost your mind - have you forgotten the devastation - at the very least they should have sent the cake to the Dome.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    My info has McCain voting for the 2006 Emergency Supplemental.


    Will have to look into the other ones. I'm just about sure, though, that there's a reason why he voted against the other bills (if, in fact, he did). Of course, whatever that reason is will be lost in the DNC spin.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Ms. Martin,
    So should Pres. Bush have gone down to LA/MS and started evacuating survivors?
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Whoever said Craig Crawford, I agree. I loathe him, because his hatred, and I do mean hatred of Obama is so obvious.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    The entire, ' We can't elect Obama because radical Muslims will want to kill him'...


    Folks....read my post downways some about Obama and Religion. The more I see crap like this, the more I believe the supposition set forth in that post is correct.
  • evita · 1 year ago
    I wonder why anyone has jumped on the Cindy McCain not disclosing her financials (and therefore her corporate relationships) yet?


    That whole money thing (same as HilBills) is super suspicious. The rednecks need to hear about that...
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    andyfrombrooklyn,


    About the anti-war thing...



    IF she had apologized for her vote the same way that John Edwards did...before or very soon after John Edwards did...it would have been muted as an issue. Her unwillingness to do that gave Obama his opening that he took.
  • Nardwilly · 1 year ago
    There is an article in the Washington Post on racist responses to Obama campaign workers and activities. The campaign desires to downplay the actions in order to run a unity campaign. I think the campaign made the right decision, but citizens should know violence against Blacks who get out of their place is real in America.




    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051203014.html?hpid=topnews
  • NMP · 1 year ago
    Rikyrah,


    Jack Johnson is from my neck of the woods,and a low down dirty piece of shit!
  • icebergslim · 1 year ago
    great photos to snatch, from al rodgers, http://thisweekwithbarackobama.blogspot.com
    ...
    , rikyrah!!!!!
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Hey iceberg,


    Thanks for dropping by. :)



    Thanks for those great diaries. I'll say it again - you get the best pics.
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    MSNBC is speaking with folks about Obama not campaigning in W.Virginia with their 5 whole presidential election delegates.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Which TeeVee Talking Pundit Heads make you want to hurl?


    I'll start with the CNN bunch:

    Wolf "but but" Blitzer

    Campbell "Mrs. Dan Senor" Brown

    Anderson "puzzled" Cooper

    Gloria Borger or Berger

    Lou "racist" Dobbs

    William "abort black babies" Bennet

    Glenn "super racist" Beck

    Rick "I don't understand Jack" Sanchez
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    Pastor apologizes for anti-Catholic remarks By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
    45 minutes ago







    WASHINGTON - John Hagee, an influential televangelist who endorsed John McCain, is apologizing to Catholics for referring to the Roman Catholic Church as "the great whore" and calling it "the apostate church."
  • Angela · 1 year ago
    Obama is leading Clinton by 12 pts in latest Oregon polls. Oregon is 90% white (1.9% black) as of 2006 and the median household income as of 2004 was $42,564.


    quickfacts.census.gov
  • Ms. Ki · 1 year ago
    Saw this story on Yahoo...made me do a double take...


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_debt
  • Angela · 1 year ago
    Contessa Brewer on MSNBC is awful....I usually mute her or change the channel when she's on.


    and I agree about Lanny Davis...yech!
  • D. · 1 year ago
    ...and cue the apology from Rev. Wright.


    Don't worry, I'll wait.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    rikyrah, about the anti war thing...exactly. plus how many times did she gratuitously insult us with hawkish statements, notably after visiting iraq with mccain in 2005. and then tried to depict herself as more anti war than obama. and then dissmiss his 2002 speech. and then voted to call the iranian military a terrorist group. and then run fascist fear ads. and then speak about obliterating iran.
    my point is that her campaign was gratuitously provocative. she drove more of the anti war vote away with each heavy handed insult. she could have held the line on not offering the edwards apology but the extra insults were unnecessary and they hurt her vote totals.

    there is this quote in the hillary as hitler video that andrew sullivan posted, hillary/hitler says "those anti-war move on types choking on their tofu over my war vote"....so funny and on the money. she couldn't control her hate for the opposition. and that is her downfall.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    worst hillary surrogate...none of them equal the queen bitch herself. die an unpleasant political death hillary. i loathe you.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    one last thought about hillary. i wish to thank her for being such a terrible self destructive candidate because if she wasn't , she would have won. and we would have been deprived of the greatness that we are about to witness. so i guess i love her for being so hateful.
  • RuthDFW · 1 year ago
    rik,
    Last week Lanny Davis made me want to walk to Atlanta for the joy of slapping him...LOL.



    Not a fan of Tubbs either - she BETTER be just as strong for Barack.
  • Progressive for A Better Ameri · 1 year ago
    So many Clinton sycophants, so little time.


    But I can't stand McAuliffe or Davis or Carville or Billy Jeff.



    Then there's Clinton herself.
  • Ruthdfw · 1 year ago
    also Bob Johnson
  • Angela · 1 year ago
    saw this info at fivethirtyeight.com which is her argument about West Virginia.


    "Tuesday, May 13, 2008

    West Virginia Preview: Clinton by 39 points, 105,000 votes



    Since Washington, DC earned its first electoral votes in 1964, no Democrat has won the White House without carrying that jurisdiction. And yet, Hillary Clinton lost the District's primary by 52 points. How can she claim to be electable if she can't win in the most reliably Democratic Congressional District in the country?"
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    Barack Obama in Charleston, West Virginia


    Keeping Our Faith With Veterans



    I don't guess this qualifies as patriotism.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    I was wondering when something like this would happen:


    Crow Nation and Fort Peck Tribes in MOntana
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    Ok. . . I've had many a rant about Obama's "give her space" strategy to allow Hillary to exit with grace.


    I don't think "grace" and "Clinton" fit in the same sentence.



    Now, Rachel Maddow thinks tonight will spark a turning point in how Obama treats Hillary. Basically, she thinks Hillary's gonna run up the score and rub it in Obama's face.



    I happen to agree with Maddow on this. I think Hillary takes a bunch of shots at Obama during her victory speech. I think her campaign goes even more negative than it has the past week.



    They will push the "he can't win (*ahem. . . white votes*) argument like never before.



    Lanny Davis and Howard Wolfson will be on steroids tonight.



    So here's the question. . . Does the media take the bait? Does the media switch narratives? If so, is it a bump in the road or will it have a lasting impact?



    Obama's gonna have to FORCE Hillary out of this race. And it will be all the more clear by about 8:30pm tonight.



    Don't worry, this nomination is his. But he's gonna have a few more headaches on his hands if he's not careful.



    And PLEASE. . . find a way to kill the "popular vote" nonsense coming from camp Hillary.
  • N. Mahana · 1 year ago
    McCain is getting an independent bump with his talk on the environment. There needs to be more focus on him or else he's going to move stealthly all the way to the Presidency.


    If Dems keep fighting till Aug or Clinton and Obama...you better believe the reckoning is coming.
  • N. Mahana · 1 year ago
    This lady on Hardball is nuts! She looks like a fool talking about the environment. If I was the RNC I'd tell her never to get on television again, representing them.
  • Pamela · 1 year ago
    Tubbs-Jones makes me upset. Every time she is on
    I end up calling my sister and saying "is she kidding, is she delusional, what do the Clinton's have on her?" It's not so much that she supports Clinton, a lot of people do, so that's not the odd thing. It's the lengths she goes to spin situations that makes me so frustrated. She is so happy read the script hoping to move the goal post as if she never heard that Michigan and Florida were out of play, never considered the importance of the delegate count and happily downplays large diverse states that went for Obama because they did not vote for Clinton (well she actually says they aren't important in a general election unlike the pro-Hillary states). And okay I do have a problem with Tubby-J coming out talking about how important West Virginia is and how Hillary will take it right after Clinton's whole hard working white American and uneducated white Americans (I'm paraphrasing) comments were made. It didn't feel right. But to each there own. If she didn't seem like she were a Clinton puppet I would like her more, but I feel like I haven't heard any of her own true views, just Clinton sound-bites, throughout this election.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Pamela--I don't think they have anything on her. She is one of Clinton's national co-chairs and may have been promised huge rewards on the back end.


    Someone mentioned BOB JOHNSON..WTF!!! This is a billionaire for christ sakes!! Someone told me that he is heavily leveraged and the Clintons have him by the balls.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    b-serious, rachel maddow spent most of march giving equal blame to both obama and clinton for the food fight. so...i don't always get her...plus she was loathe to encourage keith o in declaring victory last tuesday. it so happens that keith o solicited the big statement from russert moments before or after rachel's cold water...so again i don't always know where she is at. popular vote fails to count colorado, minnesota, washington, iowa. obama might not have won by 30 but he would have won by 10 and that would translate to 100,000 more votes in each at least. so either she accepts her loss by delegates or she must revote those other states in a primary. garbage argument like everything else from her.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
  • Pamela · 1 year ago
    Just so you all know Terry "I'm Looking for a Book Deal" McAuliffe just said the Hillary will be giving one of the greatest speeches EVER tonight. MSNBC is having fun with that claim. "Better then I have a Dream? Better then stuff in the Bible? Better then Lincoln's 2nd Inaguaration speech? 2000 years, thats a lot of speeches."
  • Pamela · 1 year ago
    Oh and since the polls have closed it's John King's Magic Map time! Tonight I may tune in to see if Obama won any district.
  • N. Mahana · 1 year ago
    Keith said it...


    "5 electoral votes are 5 electoral votes"



    que sera sera, West Virginia!
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Malveaux of CNN is such a tool.


    John's magic map??!!! Yippee! Got me all hot and bothered!