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Jack and Jill Politics: Update: Michelle Obama As Racial Rorshach Test

  • Atticus Finch · 1 year ago
    and having the chance to write replies like I just did, rikyrah, are the reason I love reading Jack and Jill!!!

    Love,

    The Angry white guy two comments up.
  • Lily · 1 year ago
    In ONE generation, the Invisible America would have gone from living on the top floor of a bungalow, to living, possibly in The White House.

    That brought goosebumps to my arms.

    I have struggled with words so I will just say, I admire her and look forward to calling her my First Lady.
  • caligirl · 1 year ago
    can't wait!!! :-)
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Nice post rikyrah and of course, I'm honored that you would mention my comments. We have to keep fighting the right fight. Michelle is what they said they wanted from us.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    msmartin: CONGRATS!
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    rikyrah: BRILLIANT psychological construct practically addressed! I think "some people" are still dazed and baffled by, not only the Obamas, but by Tiger Woods and the Williams Sisters because they just can't envision how that black skin got on those "greens" - golf course and grass court!!! And they are the BEST!
    BUT, "they" jes' don't BELONG there!!!
  • Kyle · 1 year ago
    This all revolves to a point that Louis Farrakhan made which was smpled in the Public Enemy track "War @ 33 1/3": "Don't challenge them (white establishment) in sciences, don't challenge them in economics...'cause that breaks the mold that they are used to". I may have the subjects out of place, but the point is that educated Black people are the biggest threat to the establishment. No problem being rich if it's for entertainment purposes and with no community investment. Yet, they are always disdainful (rightfully) about "uneducated, lazy Black people with their crime and dependency on welfare". Black people can never do right by racists, but you still must "know your place".
  • glory · 1 year ago
    Oh thank you for this post. I'm a part of that Invisible America, and I love how visible the Robinsons are because of their daughter Michelle. This one stirred me up, Rikyrah.
  • caligirl · 1 year ago
    this is a beautifully written post.

    i have a question: in a world where 'successful' black men who marry "outside" are shoved down our throats in television and magazines (and where this choice has been a source of much derision within the black community at large), would barack have been even anywhere NEAR as successful in his run if his wife were not black (or...if she had been "barbie doll" black)?

    sorry if this question has been posed on this site before...i'm pretty new to this site.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    JMO, but I stand by it.

    If Barack Obama had married 'Snowflake', he wouldn't have even made it to the United States Senate.

    If he had married ' Beyonce', he probably would have made it to the Senate. Dunno about the Presidential run.
  • caligirl · 1 year ago
    yes. i agree.

    i appreciate them both, but michelle holds a special place (i think especially for us women). thanks for responding.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    rykirah: Thanks for this response. I posed this qestion on another post. Forgot which. alzhe . . . or something. :>) :>)
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    "Yet even they have failed to scrutinise her seemingly remarkable story, or question how her homely rhetoric, full of jokes about Barack’s domestic failings, squares with the reality."

    The operative word is "seemingly".

    Isn't it funny how many blacks have bought into the American mythology? They looked at their options and thought "Yeah, I think I'll get myself some book learnin', and be a boring lawyer, or doctor. I think I'll go home early and have a light dinner, and feed the cat....and turn in early". ...Just about the time that peaches and cream, flaxen haired Peggy Sue is firing up the porno webcam somewhere in middle America. And, Bubba is having his 6th beer before his KKK meeting. Maybe Bubba always knew it wasn't real - the mythology.

    Then Bubba woke up one day beside underage, sweet sweet Peggy Sue...only to see that blacks had the faith and believed The Gospel of America.....and became the boring, apple pie eatin', lawyerly speakin' , one-non-same-sex-partner havin' authentic Americans.

    Thou shalt surely drive a Chevy.

    Halleleujer
  • jelana · 1 year ago
    I love this post Rikyrah. Michelle is actually responsible for me getting behind Barack.
    After she made the comment about Hillary not being able to manage her own household,
    I knew she was a strong Black woman and I decided to really listen to Barack. I have been sold ever since.
  • Hammer of truth · 1 year ago
    I believe it's all about Michelle too. I wrote a diary on dailykos about it here:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/14/225955/...
  • Noelani · 1 year ago
    Jack! This post is on point!!!!!! Everything you said and those you quoted seem to be reflections of what I've felt about Michelle since Barack came into the spotlight and began his journey toward the Presidency.

    I will fight for Michelle, maybe harder than for Barack. It's true ... I really really admire and dig this woman.
  • Noelani · 1 year ago
    oops my bad to my previous post ... I meant Rikyrah not Jack!!!! lol
  • Ann Cantelow · 1 year ago
    As I white person imagining what a few of my relatives might possibly think, I think white people's problem is with the whole family being black. There is a fear of black culture because it is an unknown. Without a white wife sort of bridge or something to Barack, the awful and terrible, "we don't know him" idea sets in. I'm so glad MIchelle is there for us, she is one of my very greatest heros.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    He had a White mother, and his White grandparents raised him for a huge chunk of his life. What are they? Chopped liver?

    I have to ask this, because I don't understand how this seems to be so discounted by some White folks.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    They think he made them up. They don't exist. Well, his grandmother still does, but they haven't really seen her. Which means they haven't seen any of them.

    So he made them up.

    He is a Muslim, after all. Muslims aren't raised by white people. Muslims are raised by Muslims and white people are not Muslim.

    That's what they think.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Actually Craig,

    I believe it's discounted, because, I suppose, if Mom and Grandparents had done the ' right' job raising Barack, then, of course, he NEVER would have married Michelle.....right?
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Oh. OOOOO. Oh.

    And then there's that.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Ooooh, that's probably more true than you realize.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    I'm going to give Ann the benefit of the doubt here and say that she was probably referring to Barack's immediate family.

    And, of course, people think this way exactly because of what you said in your following post - he chose a black woman and community so they must not have raised him right.

    They might even think he abandoned the white community.
  • Ann Cantelow · 1 year ago
    Yeah, it's nuts, and stupid, I agree. Another thought I had, I think white people tend to think they have no culture, or only a lowest common denominator culture. So they get upset when they meet someone who does have their own culture, from an inferiority complex. As for the "imagining" bit, I was thinking of my grandmother, who is no longer living. But who am I, I shouldn't be speaking for other people, or even myself. Thank you for the great article, Rikyrah.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Ann: O. K. Deep breath!!! . . . "I shouldn't be speaking for other people, or even myself."

    YOU have been presented with a lot of INFORMATION here and YOU have the ABILITY to ACQUIRE MORE, if you choose! Once you gather as much FACTUAL INFORMATION as YOU can about Black culture (or white culture or Hispanic culture, etc), then YOU can SPEAK FOR YOURSELF and assist in EDUCATING "other people".
    Now go forth and LEARN! It's a viable and vital part of any culture!
  • Ann Cantelow · 1 year ago
    Yeah. Thanks for the response, GreenLadyHere. Appreciated!
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Ann: First, I'm trying to believe that this is a serious post. Secondly: You used the concept of "IMAGINING what a few of my relatives might POSSIBLY think . . . " So there is nothing REAL here! Just IMAGINING -POSSIBLY! What part of the "black culture" is fearful IF it is "UNKNOWN"??? Is our going to church-UNKNOWN and FEARFUL to y'all? Is the fact that we are hard-working Americans UNKNOWN & FEARFUL?? Is the fact that we have families and raise children UNKNOWN & FEARFUL?? Is the fact that we have bar-b-ques UNKNOWN & FEARFUL?? Is the fact that we are educated and have earned degrees [like the Obama's Juris Doctorates] UNKNOWN & FEARFUL?? Etc, etc.
    You did know that Mr. Obama is a "BRIDGE" to himself - right??? Here's a high, S.A.T.- level test question: What color is Mr. Obama's mother/grandmother/grandfather? Take your time. Call a life-line if ya must!!!
    Finally: What do y'all KNOW about Mrs. (Dr.) Obama that makes her less FEARFUL and "one of my very greatest hero(e)s"??

    I can't believe that I spent this kind of time on this post.
  • Town · 1 year ago
    LOL. Seriously, though, I don't think many white people think about black people at all because blacks aren't a factor in their daily lives past the people at work and the cashier at Micky D's or DMV. So it never occurs to them black people have their own lives and churches and community, and when they learn about it, it must be AUTOMATICALLY WRONG AND RACIST.

    That New Yorker cover is actually what many white people believe will happen. I truly believe many people think if the Obamas get up in the White House, Snoop, Lil Wayne and 50 Cents will be hanging out playing dominoes on the portico, Marine One will be up on blocks, the Oval Office will be redecorated in red, black and green, the Secret Service will be replaced with Public Enemy's SW1s and when Barack gives the State of the Union instead of that warning music they always play on NBC, it will be replaced with a hip hop beat. Behind him, instead of Olan Mills type family portraits, there will be photos of the Obamas with airbrushed dollar bills and champagne glasses in the background.

    Michelle will walk around the White House with pink and green Goody rollers in her hair while Sasha and Malia play doubledutch in the hallway. The wooden forks and spoons from the 70s will be hung up on the wall, plastic covering all the furniture, which is all black lacquer by the way. The Rose Garden grass will be left uncut.

    At the state dinners, instead of filet mignon with fresh asparagus, Michelle will serve chitlings, fried chicken, collard greens and watermelon, and guests will wash it down with a fresh cup of red Kool Aid. Afterwards instead of doing the waltz, they will all do the Electric Slide.

    I do believe this is what people really think will happen if Obama is elected President. And if they do go to the White House, watch for people to start referring to the White House as "public housing."
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    truth: LOL 2 HILARIOUS!!!!! :>) :>) Since I LIVED in the 70', eh - 60', eh-hem, O.K. the 50's too, May I add to the imagery? How about Mr. Obama sporting a "DO RAG"; all the girls "PICKIN' out they AFROS just before a press conference; Mr. Obama - "SAGGIN'; straight back to the 'DASHIKIS' on special occasions;
    the ever-reverent PICTURES of The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and 'The Last Supper' - in color;
    the 'JELLY JARS'-I mean, fine stemware glasses for da red kool-aide; 'PEANUT BUTTER & JELLY SANDWICHES' for high-level state dinners; O.K. I'm going to try this - 'BARS' on all the windows!! :>)
    I'm so done - for now!
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Ha!..

    Love the imagery of pink n green goody rollers, Town. I do hope Michelle gets a great chef, and puts her own African American spin on the menus.

    People really believe it's outrageous to think of Michelle in that setting..after all, how will she know how to act? How will she know how to dress? What to say? They really think blacks and black women particularly are uncouth.

    Whatever, Michelle will be herself...and that will have to be ok, because herself is American.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    I'm sure she could teach them a thing or two.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Indeed.
    :)
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Town,

    this was so funny, and you're so on point. There's nothing to add.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    O'magod.

    I can't stop. My side hurts. I'm tearing up.

    Public housing?????

    No. You. Didn't.

    And all the rest of it is just too much.

    Thanks for making my night.
  • Atticus Finch · 1 year ago
    Your analysis is superb and helpful. But I still am astounded that anyone would be threatened rather than thrilled by the thought of her being first lady.

    I am white. I have 4 kids. And dear God in heaven let them all have the pride and brilliance of Michelle Obama.

    And to those macho crackers who are reeling at the thought of a black woman being in a leadership role, a position of authority, I have only a scornful reaction.

    Get the fuck out now crackers, because your day is ending and you will be expected to go back in your little holes and disappear from sight, along with your dumb-as-a-log, civil liberties-hating, dipshit of a President.

    And as to what you probably fear most profoundly and most deeply, i.e., that the end of white power will occasion some payback, let me assure you -- as a white male with a full cracker appearance -- of the following:

    We know who you are. And white guys like me -- who you haven’t noticed because you have been too fucking dumb to think that wealthy and powerful white family guys like me have been loathing you -- have been watching you use male privilege and whiteness to gain riches and power and prestige. We have watched you demean and ridicule and hate and -- worst of all -- smirk. We have watched you sit in steam rooms at clubs and universities, we have been sitting in those rooms next to you, we have been listening. And to say we despise you is ----- well, let us just say that despise is a term of affection compared to the loathing we feel.

    And you day, your eclipse, your decline, is at hand.

    And you know what, dipshit, you won’ t even know it is me loathing you because one way I am going to be part of the payback against privilege, is by expressing completely disingenuous sympathy as you and all the condescending racists watch your world crumble.

    And while you won’t know who I am -- you'll think I am your friend because I will be acting and smiling and giving you white pats on the back -- I will be doing everything covert I can to undo everything you have worked for and gained on the backs of those you treated with condescension.

    You may be pretty much dumb asses yourselves, but I know you are smart enough to remember all the times you treated people of color with arrogance, every time you mumbled “nigger,” every time you raised your voice to a waiter who couldn’t scurry around fast enough to suit your white ass, every time you moaned about affirmative action while sopping up white affirmative action, every pathetic time you told a pollster that you were voting for a black candidate and then went in the booth and pulled the secret white lever that you and I know about and then only told one white friend.

    Well guess what? I am the white friend you told! And I laughed with you. But then I went home and added you to the list of macho white trash that would eventually lose it all.

    But then again, I have already been causing you a shitload of trouble. In fact, you may know who I am: Remember when you had that really nice boss who was loyal to you and to whom you were loyal? And remember the sad day when he called you in and told you that there was nothing he wouldn’t do to avoid having to let a great guy like you go? And then he gave you a hug? And you walked out.

    I was the guy. And I fired your sorry white ass because your arrogance and condescension and racism and blatant use of male privilege sickened me. And because every time you told a nigger joke you never even considered that anyone in your presence might not have a racist lily white country club honky-ass family like you.

    You felt safe around me. And that was your mistake.

    In the beginning of Ralph Ellison’s tour de force The Invisible Man, the unnamed black protagonist is given a recommendation letter that he doesn’t know will sabotage and ruin him. Well, so help me, on countless occasions I have sabotaged careers of white men who thought no one was watching when they used the race or gender card. And now it will only get worse.

    So tomorrow, when you go to your bank or law firm or hospital or university, take a close look at your supervisors. You know the ones who claim to look out for you. The ones who make more money than you but who you don’t envy because they care about you?

    Well, one of them is me. And not only do I not give a flying fuck about you, my kindness is a mask for loathing.

    I pity your poor bastards. Because I’m not the black guy whose ascension you fear, I’m one of you. I look like you. In fact, I am sitting in my office looking out at you right now. I just winked at you, in fact. You look safe and secure in your arrogance, your whiteness. Good. Relax. In fact, email me another of your dumbest white sexist or racist jokes. I promise to laugh. That’s what I want.

    Just know that I know everything. I’ve seen everything. And know that now I am waiting for what for me will be the last straw. The next Barack joke or the next time you demean a woman like Michelle, you are going to be standing there like a fucking cyclone just hit you. And you’ll be asking:

    What happened to my career? Where did my juice go? My privilege?

    I can’t wait. Come on asshole, make fun of Michelle Obama. I dare you, you arrogant fuck.

    Make my day.
  • caligirl · 1 year ago
    daaaammmmnnnn... i guess white folk can wear the mask too! LOL!
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    replies like this are why I love blogging.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Damn.

    I'm speechless.
  • Jax · 1 year ago
    OMFG! I loooooove this. I love this so much. I see a book! I see a screenplay! A cross between "To kill a Mockingbird" and "American Psycho." (And I mean that in the best possible way.) LOL. This is the most riveting short monologue I have come across in quite some time. Seriously.This is thrilling in that, you're like, is this guy for real? But, yet I know the people he describes, as they read this, will be like "Yeah, right" while their drawers fill up with the liquidy goodness reserved for those truly deserving of their day of reckoning. SsssshhhhhPppplllhhhhfffflllllllaaaaat!
  • Atticus Finch · 1 year ago
    This guy is for real. He is me. I am him.

    Love it. A screenplay. A novel. I'm up for it.

    American Psycho and To Kill a Mockingbird. Cool.

    How about Charles Bronson fused with Zora Neale Hurston?

    Oops. I gotta get back to work. I sort of feel like the Dexter of racial justice.
  • Lily · 1 year ago
    Stand up Miss Jean Louise, your father is passing.
  • Town · 1 year ago
    America doesn't like uppity black women. Michelle Obama isn't snapping her fingers or saying "You Go Gurl!" or "Chile" or cackling. She's not skinning or grinning. She's not shucking or jiving or doing the ManTan Minstrel Show dance. America likes their black women to be smiling Mammies or booty shaking sirens.

    Michelle is neither so Michelle gots to go. I really think that certain people feel that if you as a black woman don't think they're the cats' meow, you must hate white people. You gots to go.

    You not skinning or grinning? You gots to go.

    I think many black women understand what Michelle is going thru because she's going thru the same bullshit we've had to go through on our jobs and daily lives, just amplified.

    But don't get it twisted. If Barack had married "Beyonce," Beyonce Obama wouldn't be any more acceptable to certain people than Michelle. Instead of the ungrateful angry black racist bitch meme they're using, they'd just use the dumb, frivolous, sassy bimbo arm candy meme. America would rather have a drugged up homewrecking embezzling thief as First Lady than a well spoken, educated, black lady any day.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    I feel like I'm a tunnel of truth. There is no light at the end it, though.

    Just truth.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the shout out in the post Rikyrah, but I was actually quoting someone else...I wish that HAD been my own quote because I truly believe that to be the case. Anywho, I totally love the commentary because its JUST SO DAMN TRUE. I believe sincerely that contrary to popular belief, it is not the "hood" or the "ghetto" that the mainstream media despises, oh no...its the black middle class...can't stand us, really can't...and I don't mean the upper class, I mean the middle-middle class. The press can't stand folks like Michelle's parents. They have to believe we are either broke-down, downtrodden, lazy criminal-minded hoodlums (how's that for versatility) or we're "elite"...but no in-between. Michelle brings to the table the in-between background they want to ignore. Michelle Obama is Black America personified, live and in beautiful color - they can't stand it.
  • perelandra · 1 year ago
    Thank you for this post. I admire Michelle Obama so much. Your analyzation is right on the money. This is the first post I've read on this site and I think you made a fan of me! I'm just a white, middle class girl in the mid-west but your post really resonated with me and I could really feel the emotions behind your words. Well put!
  • metaphor · 1 year ago
    This is by far one of the best posts that I have ever read on any blog. Your analysis of the situation is on point. It makes me so angry to think that these people even feel they have the authority to question Michelle or Barack's authenticity. I'm just going to stop with a thank you because if I go any further I'll have pulled out my soapbox and gotten all riled up. Great post!
  • kate03 · 1 year ago
    Michelle Obama is the kind of woman who probably threatens the lifestyle of your average middle class white feminist, because Michelle actually lives the life that those people blog about from home, while their husbands are out working 90 hours a week, and God help him if he forgets to wash the dishes when he comes home for a break. Michelle proves that a woman can have a career, raise her children, and treat her marriage like a partnership. I think women are threatened by that because then, they'd have to get up off their cans and contribute something to their community and give up the privileged lives they are accustomed to. They wouldn't be able to complain about how hard it is to stay home with the children while their husband is out working the equivalent of at least two jobs for her to do that.
  • dilettante · 1 year ago
    I hate to post a 'no value add' comment- but THANK YOU. Your analysis really crystallized several points about our community, and America as a whole. I'm really proud of Michelle , her husband and their precious little girls & and what they represent. God bless them, and America.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Ha!..

    Love the imagery of pink n green goody rollers, Town. I do hope Michelle gets a great chef, and puts her own African American spin on the menus.

    People really believe it's outrageous to think of Michelle in that setting..after all, how will she know how to act? How will she know how to dress? What to say? They really think blacks and black women particularly are uncouth.

    Whatever, Michelle will be herself...and that will have to be ok, because herself is American.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    "..then went in the booth and pulled the secret white lever that you and I know about.."

    Wow, I'm so glad I came back to read this thread. "the secret white lever" is chilling because I know it exists on so many levels.
  • Sami · 1 year ago
    Well, you had to know that anything from the Daily Mail was going to be hideously racist.

    I'm in an odd position - I really like Michelle Obama. I think she's an admirable woman, and if she'd been running, I might have backed her over Hillary (who I also think is an admirable woman).

    I'm still not thrilled with her husband's politics (but I'm on his side against McCain, obviously).

    Here's hoping that next year sees an Obama White House...
  • Jax · 1 year ago
    As a "typical" uppity white woman, I can't wait for this "typical" uppity black woman to be my first lady. I just know in my heart and in my soul that it will tear down so many walls. Her simple presence has us discussing things that normally are just whispered under the breath. I like my discrimination (whether based on race or gender) right out in the open, where I can challenge it, subvert it, and intellectually shoot it down. She's tough as nails, and she's going to have to be that way for a long time. I hope she knows that many stand right with her. Thank you Barack and Michelle Obama for weathering this storm to a brighter future--for all of us.
  • gaetano · 1 year ago
    Michelle O-BOMB-US brings nothing to the table but racism.She and her muslim husband will back up racism 5o years.Martin Luther King had a dream and it was beautiful,Mr. and Mrs. O-BOMB-US have a dream and it will be every body`s NIGHTMARE.
  • alicia2008 · 1 year ago
    ditto
    colorism is rabid in amerikkka
    even among blacks
    colorist blacks and and racist whites adore bo because he is half white/yellow...
    just as wm revere halle berry because she is half white
    in the mind of a white bigot:
    half white=half me/ok/acceptable/beyond black etc
    tragic!!!...

    peace
    alicia banks
    see more on colorism bo mo etc:
    OUTLOOK
    http://aliciabanks.blogspot.com/
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    Why would we want to follow you to your blog?
  • Josh Elliptical · 1 year ago
    I do not like her
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    Who cares if you don't like her, Josh? GTHOH with your bigoted ass.
  • Town · 1 year ago
    I don't like Laura Bush either, but she's the First Lady. <<shrug>>
  • Justice58 · 1 year ago
    I do not like her

    As if that matters...

    We are so past what you don't like. We love & adore Michelle Obama! She's Our First Lady! Our Queen. And we stand united with her!
  • Admiral_Komack · 7 months ago
    Big whoop.
  • Admiral_Komack · 7 months ago
    ...and she is First Lady of the United States of America despite you.
  • hydrocephalus stories · 7 months ago
    We have move past the tragedy of slavery. Yet we are still in the brink of hypocrisy and racism. Will it ever end?
  • Sick_of_Public_Ignorance · 7 months ago
    Racism is a double sided sword, complete with double standards. I think it is sad that whites don't like blacks, blacks don't like whites, and collectively as a nation, we don't like people from the middle east. If people are ready to admit it or not, it seems to be the case. I have never owned a slave, my ancestors never owned any slaves, I have never oppressed anyone. Yet if i express one negative thought about the Obama family, i would be labeled a racist... well just because i am white. I am of Irish descent, if you know your history you would know how Irish were treated when they came to the US. (shhh, nobody likes to admit that white people have been oppressed too) Not to mention the treatment we received even further back in hostory (open a history book, its in there!). So next time you think of racism, remember it has been going on for a long time, and African Americans are not the only ones who are a victim of this. If i recall my history correctly, most of the black slaves sold from Africa, were sold by other blacks for monetary, or political gain. I'll go ahead and call myself a biggot since i'm sure thats the next move.
  • WordSmith · 7 months ago
    Are you Conserv1's hillbilly cousin?

    .

    No, really - are you?
  • Sick_of_Public_Ignorance · 7 months ago
    Am i a hill billy because i don't think like you? Maybe i should ask if you are on welfare. No really, are you?

    I think someone with the name "wordsmith" would have something better to say than some stereotypical name calling.
  • Sick_of_Public_Ignorance · 7 months ago
    Besides, what would be the fun in a blog if everyone agreed with one another?
  • WordSmith · 7 months ago
    It's because of your idiotic trite argument above. As for moniker - funny yours, having that while promoting the same.