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Started by baratunde aka jack turner · 2 months ago

Congressman Oscar Stanton DePriest,

The first Black elected to Congress in the ‘ Modern Era’ (post-Reconstruction), 1929-1935.

Good morning.

I hope you didn’t stay up too late watching convention coverage.

Let’s have another good day here at JJP.

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  • Life lesson #1

    If an adult woman wears ringlets or("Shirley Temple curls", as per Miranda). A sparkly barrette placed directly at the hairline. Speaks with a little girl vibe. Weeps at the drop of a hat. Caution is required.

    That lady is back on CNN. They're using her as a template of the overwrought Hillary supporter. Thanks Suzanne! There were thousands of people on that floor, and Suzanne had to smoke out the one insane, black woman.
  • TS,
    That woman is a prime example of "Mammy Syndrome"

    Quote from Mammy to Miss Scarlett in Gone With The Wind
    I says I gwine with you ter Atlanta and gwine I is!

    Quote from Mammy to Hiss Hillary last night at the DNC in Denver
    I says I gwine with you ter da wite hous and gwine I is!
  • What gets me..

    She said "His resume..."

    She said would you hire someone right out of Harvard to be the CEO? WTF?
  • By the way...did you watch Larry King? There was a rep from "Say No Deal". This young woman was saying things like "I'm a good Catholic girl, I don't give away my vote on the first date" and "I need to be wooed". This young woman had a peculiar facial tick: her eyes seem to blink independently of each other!

    Now, If you're talking about voting and using sexual/anatomical language.....and the candidate you're referring to is a very good looking, virile, black man....there's something definitely wrong here! It makes me think of young, white women and repressed sexuality. Untreated emotional disturbance. And the weird blinking might have something to do with scrambled brain pathways.

    Some time ago, I wrote a comment in regard to something I heard one of these women say on TV. I said at that time I thought these women were not talking about voting, but getting laid. I looked at what I'd written and felt kinda embarrassed...but couldn't shake that feeling that I was right. I wonder what these women fantasize that Barack wants from them??? Do they think it's not REALLY their vote he wants? What's up with Scarlett overstating her communication with Barack?

    It's a very unsettling feeling... It ties into Hillary's glee at subtly emasculating Barack for the grey haired feminist set. "He's not qualified". "He can't close the deal". It's how a woman makes a man feel small by chipping away at his masculinity. I had not thought of it before, but Barack's sex appeal and magnetism is creating bizarre effects. It is very unsettling to watch.
  • You're not imagining things. There is a straight up Mandingo-psyche going on with these women and the men too.
  • TruthSeeker,

    I'm sure that your observations are insightful, as usual. But...

    I can't seem to get past the line "her eyes seem to blink independently of each other." Thus, I use my 1st blog abbreviation... ROTFLMAO
  • Hehehe.....
  • You'll let us know when your book comes out, because you describe things with such vividness.

    :-)
  • Gee, thanks. .....if that day ever comes. :-)
  • TruthSeeker: :>) :>) ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! LOL!!!! :>) :>)
  • From PoliticalInaction.com:

    August 27, 2008
    Bill Clinton.....what everyone is misreading.....


    The drive by media, and Bill Clinton's friends/advisors, are pushing one singular narrative: That Bill Clinton is steamed he was called a racist in the primary, he blames Obama for it, and that is why he is not eager to help Obama. But I am not buying it for a second.

    Bill Clinton is a seasoned politician. He can take a punch. He understands the game. What he doesn't like is not being a part of it. What the long primary showed was that he is no longer the focal point of that family, his wife is, and I think it drives him nuts, and will lead him to continue to try and undermine Obama and Hillary.

    Obama isn't trying to paper over Bill Clinton, but he is also not actively courting him. Obama is dealing strictly with Hillary, and that, I believe, is why Bill is so upset. By Obama focusing all his attention on Hillary, Obama is further alienating Bill Clinton from the political game he loves. Yes, Clinton is a former president, but his wife has the juice now.

    So for the next 24 hours, the press is going to analyze over and over the Bill impact and why there is a rift. The answer is that Bill Clinton is still a politician with considerable skill and desire to play the game, but no one is asking him too and he knows no one will. So he is doing the only thing he knows how to do: stir up trouble by acting disinterested and giving tepid endorsements at best to Obama. He is being a child. He is the kid in the freezer isle at the grocery store throwing a tantrum. He wants everyone to pay attention to him again. He wants to be the center of attention, and what is killing him the most though, is that now it is and forever will be, Hillary.

    Bill Clinton is jealous of his wife more than he is jealous of Obama. Her losing the race for presidency was a deathblow to Bill Clinton's dreams. Had she went on to be president, he would still be considered the puppet master and he would be a world player again. But now, she has battled through a tough primary and lost, and at the very least has assumed the role of top political animal in the Clinton household. Now she will try and go on to be a great senator, while Bill is just a former president doing charity work. He no longer has any way to play with the levers of power, and it is eating him alive.

    He is a small, petty, jealous, and selfish man. He can't stand that his wife is the top power broker in the household now. No matter what he says tomorrow night...I fully expect him to continue to his childish antics through November, and if Obama wins, beyond.

    What worries me most is that him and Carville have something cooking for tomorrow's speech...just some way to stick it to Obama.
  • I have often wondered if Bill wasn't trying to undermine Hillary during the primary process. He was making things worse for Hillary and I have to wonder if it wasn't done on purpose. The things he did and said (and still saying and doing) is bizarre, to say the least. I believe the #1 reason why the majority of people didn't want Hillary to be VP was not Hillary herself, but it was Bill. That was the main reason I didn't want her to be Obama's VP.

    When you hear of the problems in her campaign, somehow they all come back to Bill.

    And for all of her Grrl Power rhetoric, her campaign was staffed by middle aged wonky white guys. Sure Maggie Williams and Patti Solis Doyle were up there, but the real movers and shakers and decision makers were white guys. For all of this screaming about 18 million cracks and feminism, it seemed as though Hillary was taking a back seat to the guys.

    And everyone knows it, but instead of pointing the finger at Bill or Mark Penn or Howard Ickes or Lanny Davis or the media itself, the PUMAs and people like this Ann Mills Price woman and Geraldine Ferraro point the finger at Obama and say it's Obama's fault.

    I think it's telling that she didn't describe herself as a proud wife tonight. And Bill knows he's done her wrong and dirty so many times so he's not going to complain about it.


    Hillary has a power today that she didn't have in January. She had the Clinton Power in January but it has slowly emerged into power in her own right and I think she realizes that now. I think that Begala, Wolfson, Carville etc. know this flip flop has taken place and that's why they are riding and dying so hard for Hillary -- she got the juice in their household now, not Bill.

    It's also why I think another Bill extramarital affair will explode on the front pages within the next couple of years.
  • I'm so spick of the pundits I could spit. Ive decided to hold out out hope that the person who will put forth directly in his speech that Obama is ready to lead will be a person who has been in the position before, Bill.
  • I'm hoping the same thing. The Clintons have one more chance with me. Bill had better come correct.
  • I hope he makes a liar outta me...but he's probably not going to make an effort to say "he's ready to lead".

    I bet you a nickel, he'll say something like when I was president, we did this, we did that and we can again, vote democratic!

    That is all.
  • That seems to be the meme of the Clinton surrogates, vote Democrat. They clearly haven't forgotten the primaries and many others haven't and won't, especially when it's time to support one of them.
  • jay: On which table are we laying down those nickels??? I'm IN!! :>) :>) :>)
  • Hmmm.....I never thought about it that way.

    Town: And for all of her Grrl Power rhetoric, her campaign was staffed by middle aged wonky white guys. Sure Maggie Williams and Patti Solis Doyle were up there, but the real movers and shakers and decision makers were white guys. For all of this screaming about 18 million cracks and feminism, it seemed as though Hillary was taking a back seat to the guys.

    ITA! She had no control over her own campaign. And isn't it interesting that she fired Patti and not Mark Penn? Hmmm......
  • If you can, go over to The Field

    Al Giordano is holding it down...cracking me up actually.

    A sample quote:

    I tire of the drama that the Clintons and their lapdogs have inflicted on this convention and general election campaign already. The latest absurdity out of Clinton advisors James Carville and Paul Begala has been this nonsense about how Clinton wasn't consulted on who Obama's vice presidential pick would be. There's no way they would have been mouthing those things unless they'd heard it straight from the senator. But as we reported here in May, Obama told Clinton back then that she wouldn't be the veep pick, so the sense of entitlement over having anything to do with the choice is way out of line. Those boys know that: their gambit is about sabotage, and it's obvious to everyone paying attention. I, for one, am not going to tiptoe around their oversized yet fragile egos. One false move tonight or tomorrow, and watch the torch-and-pitchfork crusade rise up to primary her in 2012 in New York.
  • He's not lying. This is slaying demons time. This is a stake in the heart, silver bullet, old blind Obeah woman with the white powder to sprinkle at the doorway time. Begala. Carville. Bill. Hillary. Rendell.

    I'm in such a foul mood after watching this spectacle.
  • TruthSeeker: Hey - sharing your ire!! BUT, it's going ta B O.K. :>) :>)
  • rikyrah: From HuffPost:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/26/clinto...
    Clinton Didn't Mention Obama's Name When She Met With Her Supporters

    She used the term "nominee"! SSSSSSSSnake!!! :>) :>)
  • I don't know why anyone is surprised. At least she didn't say ' My Opponent'

    LOL
  • Geeze never has a loser been given more entitlement and a longer grace period and a more open-ended exit strategy than Hilary Clinton.

    Never has a candidate been allowed to conflate their spouses resume with their own with so much acceptance and so little criticism as Hilary Clinton.

    never has a woman been so able to co-opt everything from "victimhood" to "girl power" to "civil rights" for her own personal agenda with so little scrutiny as HRC.

    Never have a group of supporters been so catered to and concerned over as the millions of condescending, half-informed, catharsis-seeking, Church of Oprah worshipping white women that hold up Hilary Clinton.

    Never has a losing candidate had their campaign debt retired by others, by force, as has HRC.

    She's so otherworldly, that i must now get new t-shirts that read WWHD? - "What Would Hilary Do?"

    Now let's go win one for Hilary!!!!!
  • And another thing:

    Not ONLY did billary NOT SAY anything about being a WIFE, I looked at the position of her "WEDDING RING???" on her 3rd finger left hand. IT IS TWISTED!!! AND it doesn't LOOK like a set of wedding rings!! It is a SINGLE ring with a SOLITARY stone!!

    Which brings me to my humble opinion about the clintons' POST-EXTRA-MARITAL years. I suggest that there was an agreement:

    POST-NUPTUAL/POST-EXTRA-MARITAL/POST-PHILANDERING AGREEMENT:

    1. Bull will FUND the Senatorial campaign of billary in New York.

    2. Bull will make all other candidates step aside so that billary CAN be the NY Senator!

    3. Bull will use his influence with African Americans to garner support for billary's Senatorial candidacy! This includes playing his saxophone in Black churches!!

    4. Bull will buy a million dollar house in Harlem so that billary can establish a residence in NY!

    5. Bull will sleep in a SEPARATE BEDROOM in said million dollar house!!

    6. Bull will make as many pricey speeches as necessary and involve himself in as many shady deals with foreign countries as necessary in order to get the funds necessary for billary to run for POTUS!

    7. Bull will try to keep his sexual dalliances at a non-newspaper/non-National Inquirer level!! If billary hears 1 more tale [or hears of one more piece of tail], IT IS OVER!!

    8. Bull will hug billary IN PUBLIC, but NO kissing. Billary does NOT know where his mouth has been!

    9. Bull will understand that billary will make as FEW references to bull as my husband or I as his wife, as is possible!!

    10. Bull will NOT destroy billary's chances to become POTUS!!! Bull will be a MONEY-MAKING MACHINE FOREVER!!!

    In the words of Stevie Wonder: SIGNED, SEALED, DELIVERED!!!

    It is so ordered!!!
  • Jed Said: Sebelius keep the 8 - 11 "McAncient" houses issue alive!! :>) :>)

    http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/gov-sebelius-h...
    Sebelius Hits on McCain's Homes

    "There's no place like home(s)." :>) :>) :>)
  • Bull Will Not attend Mr. Obama's Speech at Convention. HRC will.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/26...

    Well, he's got ta keep making speeches in order to retire billary's debt. So he's excused!

    Additionally, he really doesn't want ta here what a REAL "First Black President" sounds like!! :>) :>)
  • Bill also didn't attend Kerry's acceptance speech in 2004. This is also true with other politicians. The media is trying to stir things up.
  • I think OBama should have shoved Bubba into tonight to with Hillpatine. Get rid of both of them in one shot. Let tomorrow be Biden's night. Share Thursday with Al Gore.
  • I'm beginning to see the full range of Barack' chess game.

    He's giving Bill enough rope to hang himself and daring him to do it.

    Pride goeth before the fall.
  • "Pride goeth before destruction & a haughty spirit before a fall." I wish someone would come out with some scandalous news about Bill so he can go into exile like JE.

    I wonder how their Peter Paul lawsuit is going?

    www.peterfpaul.com
  • Yeah. Well he needs to switch to hockey for a couple periods, break somebody's jaw, then go back to the chess game.
  • I agree. Having to see his face during Hillary's speech, with his practiced, fake-ass emotionalism made me want to hurl. It was just too darned much, especially knowing that he wants to USE O's convention to talk about how awesome he thinks his presidency was. Thank goodness he will be on 5 second delay. I'm not sure I will be able to watch him.
  • Teacher: Co-sign! :>)
  • Elizabeth Edwards ain't receivin' and, therefore, ain't quite feelin' the luv:

    http://www.newser.com/article/d92pr9500/elizabe...
    Elizabeth Edward's Role in Hiding Husband's Affair Questioned: Political Ambitions Jeopardized?

    Word on the street which keeps "Stayin' Alive!" [BGees] is that she was tryin to protect BOTH of their political careers!!

    Also noted that she keeps a political diary on the Daily Kos! Hmmm!? :>) :>)
  • I have been thinking about them and how they have about fallen off the planet. I was expecting that JE would be stalked. Maybe he has been saved by the democratic convention.
  • teacher: Got that right!! :>) :>) Best wishes in the classroom! :>) :>)
  • Thanks. I'm hanging in so far.
  • From TPM:

    Obama Ad Responding To Ayers Spot Now Running In Virginia, Too

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com...


    p.s. I tried to delete the Rangel post, 'cause It was today already! Sorry. :>(
  • Oddly enough, the first time I saw AIP's ad in VA was right after Michelle's speech. My wife thought it was a McCain ad.

    It's gonna get worse before it gets better. Obama can't respond to every single attack ad.
  • I don't know why you think that, he has more money than McCain.
  • And if I'm a strategist, I know that.

    So I keep making ads like AIP's, knowing he'll respond. It's a drain on funds, it's one less ad where he's talking about his policies, and one more where he's possibly running the same negative campaign he eschews.
  • Responding is not attacking, therefore his integrity remains intact. As far as the money goes, if you have less how can you break someone that has more?

    The American people aren't stupid, the pictures of Bush and McCain together and especially the upcoming appearances at the RNC will provide more advertisement than money can buy.
  • But, remember it's not the McCain campaign that's putting out these ads. And really, getting any sort of response is the ultimate goal, though an attack would suit the purpose better.

    I doubt Bush and McCain appear on the stage at the RNC together. For exactly that reason.
  • The American people aren't stupid. They know McCain is not Bush.

    I know that it is difficult to let go of your addiction to Bush-heroin
    but if Republicans can say goodbye to the Clintons...
  • The American people are stupid--we've had Bush for 8 years and handed over our unions, health care,jobs to the corporations who bank abroad.
  • Actually it's forcing McCain to spend money in a state he shouldn't have to spend money in at all. This the first time in my entire life that I've seen a Presidential campaign ad in Virginia.
  • Yeah, me too. I don't remember any in '04, and I wasn't here in 2000.
  • Town: I was looking for information on "McAncient's" spending when I asked if he had to USE UP a certain amount of campaign funds B4 he could start using the PUBLIC FUNDING???

    Maybe there is no rule like this.

    that's why I'm just askin' :>) :>)
  • Plus, it keeps Ayers name, words and deeds in the news.

    Now this:

    "Democrats such as Barack Obama are increasingly showing a disturbing eagerness to invoke the power of the state to silence critics. The latest example of this growing anti-First Amendment mentality is Obama’s heavy-handed response to a television ad by an independent nonprofit that raises some very basic questions about the Illinois senator’s relationship with William Ayers, the unrepentant 1960s terrorist bomber.

    Obama’s campaign has encouraged supporters to flood television stations with protests whenever they see the ad. Nothing wrong with that, but the other thrust of the Obama response was to ask the Justice Department to intervene to stop further airing of the ad. That’s where Obama crossed the line and raised a question of fundamental importance — does he or does he not believe the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of speech?"

    All of this only benefits McCain.
  • Hello-I think it's called slander.
  • How is it slander? What is factually incorrect?

    Obama’s own response boils down to this: “Ayers tossed bombs a long time ago, and who cares what he thinks now?”

    If plenty of people care about Presidential candidates who feel comfortable with bomb-tossers as friends, and the more Obama keeps the story alive, the more the media will pay attention and more voters will discover this connection.

    Demanding a criminal probe into a group that works for political advocacy and bullying people through the Department of Justice as a candidate will cause reasonable people to wonder what will happen if Obama gets elected. Most Americans will see this as Obama trying to silence someone with an inconvenient political point of view.
  • It is called guilt by association. Obama was never a member of the group. Nor was he an advocate of the group . This is just a distraction.
  • The real troubling aspect of the Obama-Ayers relationship is that Obama comes from a political subculture in which Ayers, UNAPOLOGETIC and UNREPENTANT, is an accepted and unremarkable individual.

    Exactly what kind of leftist extremism would be considered unacceptable by Obama and his supporters?
  • Leftist? The board that both men sat on included the following:

    Laura S. Washington, Board Chair*
    Ida B. Wells-Barnett University Professor and Fellow of the DePaul Humanities Center

    Jesus G. Garcia, Vice Chair*
    Executive Director, Little Village Community Development Corporation

    William C. Ayers
    Distinguished Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago

    Lee Bey
    Director of Media and Governmental Affairs, Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill LLP

    Doris Salomon Chagin
    Category Manager - Ethnic Markets, BP Products North America

    Beth E. Richie
    Professor and Head of the Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago

    Patrick M. Sheahan
    Executive Director, Public Affairs, UBS Investment Bank

    Charles N. Wheatley
    President, Sahara Enterprises, Inc.

    Lucia Woods Lindley
    Board Member Emeritus

    Kristin Patton*
    Secretary
    The charity does a lot of work for the city of Chicago/

    Moreover, any who lives in Hyde Park which is predominantly conservative has ran into Ayers.

    I noticed that you make a lot assumption s about Obama that in reality that are not true.
  • Micheline:

    U go girl!!!

    DATA!!!! Yes!! :>) :>)
  • "s" is lying about why Obama has called for a criminal probe of the 5014c ad. She is lying to say a Constitutional lawyer is going to try to suppress the Constitutions First Amendment.

    The reason Obama is calling for a criminal probe is as follows. A 5014c can raise money to do a couple of things under defined rules. One, it must use most of the money to do other things besides running ads ofr candidates(details is link). Two, most importantly the money must come from multiple sources so not to violate McCain-Feingold.
    With this 5104c most of the money has come from one source Harold Simmons aka Mr Swiftboat. All the 5014c has done is run the one ad. That is what is illegal.
    "As the FEC's own discussion of MCFL (linked by Mitchell) notes, "Furthermore, the Court pointed out that 'should MCFL's independent spending become so extensive that the organization's major purpose may be regarded as campaign activity, the corporation would be classified as a political committee,' subject to the restrictions and extensive reporting requirements the law applies to such entities."
    See full article: http://electionlawblog.org/archives/011426.html
  • This comes under the heading: FAUX Spews will "fight" anyone:

    Jon Stewart, the comedian has been called "out of touch" by Faux Spews spokesman.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/26/jon-st...

    He's not even a journalist!! FAUX SPEWS is as WAR-MONGERING as "McAncient" - their hero! :>) :>) PITIFUL!!! :>) :>)
  • rikyrah: Is it permitted to post Mr. Martin's site showing his convention pics? They are nice. :>) Let me know. Thank you. :>) :>)

    http://essence.typepad.com/news/
  • This is from the Daily Kos: Former Sgt. Riley puts "McAncient" "ON BLAST" for playing the "POW CARD!"

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/26/179...
    Open Letter To Senator John McCain: What About Floyd James Thompson and the Other POWs [Neil B. Riley, Jr. Sergent, US Army 2001 - 2006]


    Floyd James Thompson was the longest held POW in US HIstory - 10 days short of 9 years in the Viet Nam War.

    Neil said that, despite the post war devastating personal experiences that he and his family suffered, He NEVER USED his experience for PERSONAL GAIN or NOTORIETY!!

    In contrast, YOU have USED your former POW status to get out of being accountable for your actions!!

    He stated that he was prompted to write his letter after seeing "McAncient" on the Jay Leno Show.

    This is a very telling read! "DISS THE DUDE!" :>) :>) :>)
  • See, this is what we need to be focused on! Not the Clintons! I'm tired of the in fighting. I'm ready for the Dems to put the smackdown on McCain and expose him!
  • Sepia: Thanks! :>) :>) Continuing to look for ANY information to "DISS THAT DUDE!!!" :>) :>) :>)
  • "Barack Obama is my candidate and he must be our President."

    I guess I'm not seeing how this isn't a strong enough statement that she believes Barack is ready to be President.

    "The future of our nation and the health and safety of our children hangs in the balance if Barack isn't elected president."

    If you were not convinced with her delivery, so be it. But the words she delivered were unequivocal.

    "No way. No how. No McCain."

    I expect that to be used in an ad that appears during the RNC.

    Even if there's something going on behind the scenes, the theater she put on to our faces was very good.

    "Were you just in this for me?"

    She gave Michelle Obama propers, praised her speech, and said she would be a great First Lady.

    I'm not seeing any reaction to that here. Maybe I scrolled through the comments too quickly.

    She's meeting with her delegates at lunch tomorrow where she's expected to encourage them to vote for Barack in the abbreviated roll call vote in the afternoon.

    I'll get a report from two friends from my past who intend to attend.

    I've now spoken with more than 100 Hillary delegates face to face. Three quarters of them are voting for Barack in the roll call.

    McCain's campaign chimed in with a silly press release that nitpicked what she didn't say instead of fo