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Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Diana — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:20:00 -0000

Don't trust her, Don't Trust Her, DON'T TRUST HER. HRC's keeping her delegates until the convention.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:41:00 -0000

My favorite part in the NY Times article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008...

Excerpt:

“We pledged to support her to the end,” said Representative Charles W. Rangel, a New York Democrat who has been a patron of Mrs. Clinton since she first ran for the Senate. “Our problem is not being able to determine when the hell the end is.”

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:27:00 -0000

Watching MSNBC now. Hillary will announce that she is supporting Barack on Friday. Apparantly she got slapped by 23 of her top supporters. Said she was defiant.

NY Times Article:

http://nytimes.com/?adxnnl=...

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

TruthSeeker — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:33:00 -0000

Damn Val,

I saw the headline at Huffington but didn't read the story...I would kill to know what that conversation was about!

Ha..they think Obama's a punk. They better be careful.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

TruthSeeker — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:27:00 -0000

Craig, thanks.

Rikyrah,

I agree no media moderators. They don't have sufficient expertise in Government, economics or policy to ask pertinent questions, understand the answers and pose follow up questions.

You know, it is insane when you think the corporate media has been framing the presidential debates all along.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:27:00 -0000

It's on like hot buttered popcorn.

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

Excerpt

Furthermore, during a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.

While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

rikyrah — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:56:00 -0000

d,

From the moment that I heard about this idea, what, 6 weeks ago, I thought it was a great idea.

I think one of Obama's biggest hurdles, is the one with people who just think he's too inexperienced.

One of the best things that happened to Obama was when Edwards dropped out, and he went mano-a-mano with Hillpatine and didn't wither on the vine. Nobody muddying the waters meant that they could look and see and ACCEPT him as Commander-in-Chief.

See, him being on stage with McCain -...IMO, he doesn't even have to beat McCain. He just has to work it to a DRAW. A DRAW, I believe, would win over those independents, because it would take away McCain's ONE true advantage -I admit folks are more secure in the thought of McCain being Commander-in-Chief.

And, if they made sure that they went around the country?

One in rural America

One in urban America

North

South

I think it couldn't be anything but positive, IMO.

But, HELL NO TO ANY MEDIA MODERATORS.

Choose a local professor. The league of women voters. But, leave the media out of it.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Craig Hickman — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:20:00 -0000

truthseeker, you are writing exactly what I feel, but since I vowed not to say anything negative about her, I've enjoyed reading your words.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:37:00 -0000

Regarding McCain's statement
“Leaders don’t hide from history, they make history,”

I believe Barack made history last night.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:34:00 -0000

D - I think it is a good idea to hold town hall meetings with Barack and McCain. McCain suggested it last year and Barack immediately responded that it was a good idea and if he were to become the nominee they should set it up. I don't know about travelling together by plane and bus though. That was a bit creepy.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:32:00 -0000

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Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Diana — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:30:00 -0000

Wow, we're getting props from most of the rest of the world:
http://www.washingtonpost.c...

Feels weird, but good.

And let's see, HRC won't concede, endorse or release her delegates because she thinks she can force Barack to declare her his co-presidential nominee? I can't think of anything bad enough to say about her.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

evita — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:10:00 -0000

http://latimesblogs.latimes...

Top of the Ticket

« With primaries over, challenges are clear for Barack Obama | Main | Coincidence? Vanity Fair line on Bill Clinton an old one about Teddy Roosevelt »

Is Barack Obama priming Hillary Clinton for healthcare reform role?

Early on in his speech last night claiming the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama offered praise for Hillary Clinton, which can be viewed as either a gracious or cynical overture to her angry supporters (many of whom have commented here).

But Obama also mentioned something that almost sounded like an offer. He said: "You can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal healthcare in this country, and we will win that fight, she will be central to that victory."

Of course, Clinton's history with healthcare reform has not exactly been successful. But Obama's careful wording -- and he is usually very careful in his wording in prepared speeches -- left the impression that he's considering asking Clinton to play a lead role in healthcare reform. Or maybe just be the anchor point in the Senate. Of course, that would be moot if John McCain wins in the fall, but given how much the issue means to Clinton, letting her steer the fight on that issue could be Obama's answer to a pressing question: What to do about Clinton?

And that's the kind of role Clinton could also play as a vice president, much like Bill Clinton assigned Al Gore to streamline the federal bureaucracy.

-- Scott Martelle

__________________________

I keep thinking of that line in the Color Purple:

[Celie to Mister] Till you do right by me everything you think about will fail. Til you right by me, everything you touch, will die.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

teacher — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:05:00 -0000

O has assembled a team to search for VP. PLEASE LET IT BE A WOMAN!!!! I hope he tells her (she whose name is irrelevant) that he won't pick a woman and then picks one. I hope he lets Michelle work on the national healthcare program AND get credit for it. If she wants to play high stakes poker with her career, let her. she has the most to lose. She is being a political jihadist with her career. I hope he calls her on all her bluffs-yes, every single one.
Realistically, she would get a deal that she wants AND STILL NOT KEEP HER END OF THE BARGAIN. What has led any of us to believe that she is going to keep her word? She is not going to do a 180 and start casmpaigning for O, even if it's whats best for the party.

I KNOW billy didn't use the N word to Clyburn. No way!!!

Poor McBush. They are playing clips from his speech last night and he looks so pathetic. How humiliating.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Jonzee — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:35:00 -0000

Personally? I'm trying to take a moment to savor the flavor of history made and in the making for five minutes."

I'll be ready to kick some tail in the name of change tomorrow.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

TruthSeeker — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:22:00 -0000

As for me, I don't know Caribbean lionesse. I am still too pissed off to think of reaching out to them. Really, how can he without knowing what it is they truly want?

If they are secretly racist, there is nothing Obama can or should do about that. If they are personally embarrassed by Hillary's poor performace, then the mere sight of whiz kid Obama is a slap in the face.

Perhaps he has to give them the opportunity to vent. My instincts are against it, because he's running for President, not best-friends-forever. But the angry people can say how they really feel then move onto the issues that underlie their dissatisfaction.

But right now, I really don't give a damn.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

B-Serious — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:21:00 -0000

"There is talk of changing the rules by which the Democratic nominee is chosen. Horror of Horrors that a black man has mastered the game. I don't recall any complaining about the system before."

Truthseeker,

I'm gonna take my lead from Chris Rock. . . To be honest, I never heard of a super delegate until a black man became the frontrunner.

Did you ever hear about super delegates until Obama pulled off the upset in Iowa???

Think about it. There are probably dozens of arcane rules that both parties could use in theory, but never use in practice. Super delegates seems like one of them. When was the last time they played such a major role?

This was also the first time I've ever heard that you couldn't ask a candidate to drop out of the race once the math wasn't in their favor.

For some reason, we were supposed to treat Hillary different than John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and every other candidate who dropped out for the good of the party.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Nancy Volle — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:18:00 -0000

I love that photo of Barrack and Michelle. When I saw her on stage with him last night she was so tender and loving with him. It was incredibly sweet.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Ms.Martin — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:04:00 -0000

Truth

That talk about changing the rules was started by Camp Crazy while they were trying to deligitimize Obama's win.

illary is only able to do what she is doing because she has the support of some members of the Democratic party. As we all know, had this been Barack they would have run his ass out of town.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

Caribbean Lionesse — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:59:00 -0000

I know right truthseeker? That's the feminist hero for you! That would be so incredibly petty and yet typical of Hillary - if she can't or won't have it no other DARE think they should get it. That vicious and disgusting streak of entitlement pops up every time.

An extra thought - as odious as it is, Obama needs to start reaching out to Hillary's base of white middle-aged women, as vindictive, dismissive and bitter as many of them have been.

Any ideas on what would be a good way to do this? Personally I think he needs to play up his mother and granny more - a LOT MORE. From all accounts his mum was an incredible woman - gutsy, hard-working and open-minded. His grandmother is the same and a feminist trailblazer all on her own. Michelle is another tough nut - she basically was the major income earner in their household until his most recent bestseller a few years ago.

Obama needs to emphasise that not only does he have no issues with strong women, he LOVES him some strong women. That is who he has been surrounded about his whole life and who have made him who he is.

I dunno...maybe a gender version of his race speech? What says you jack and jill massive? :)

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

TruthSeeker — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:57:00 -0000

There is talk of changing the rules by which the Democratic nominee is chosen. Horror of Horrors that a black man has mastered the game. I don't recall any complaining about the system before. As I understand it, it is the States choice what type of election they will have.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

D. — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:52:00 -0000

What's everyone's take on this?

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teacher — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:50:00 -0000

"I believe there were many in the Democratic party who also didn't want a black man as their nominee. Why else would they have allowed Hillary the time to damage him."

Ms. Martin & BPM, the person I know who is on the outter regions of O's campaign said the same thing. He said,"Many of the superdelegates aren't comfortable with a Black candidate."

Cnn headline news showed a soundbite today showing a naval aircraft carrier. The story was that Myanmar refused the shipment of humanitarian aid because they don't want the USA to invade them and take their oil reserves. Dang. Wow.

I think O gave a good speech to the pro Isreal PAC. I'll have to admit that I'm not up on the demands of Isreal, so I'm not sure what would be pro or con for them. I don't like to think that any of our politicians would put the interests of Isreal above our national interests, but it also seems like their lobby is so strong that it can make or break political careers. I'm generally supportive of Isreal, but they don't need to be picking our presidents.

Finally,Jenny-girlfriend of Jim Carey is holding a rally to promote green vaccinations. If any of you all are chemists, that would be a good thing to try to develop. My kids haven't had any vaccinations. They enjoy robust health and are seldom sick. I really don't understand why any medical professional would advocate the vaccination of a newborn baby. That defies logic to me. The gov. has a billion$ fund to pay vaccine victims. Did you know?

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

justice58 — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:46:00 -0000

Truthseeker,

" How else could she keep Bill married while it is clear his dick wants to go elsewhere.

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You know you're wrong but that's too damn funny!

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Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

sableverity — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:38:00 -0000

The Clintons cussed out Clyburn for his Obamarama nod. I'm wondering just what he said. What do ya'll think?

http://sableverity.wordpres...