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Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

D. — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:54:00 -0000

Anon 9:49,
Is it just me, or is it ironic that the article was "contributed" to by someone with the last name Kucinich?

Really-sometimes, you can't make this stuff up.

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Anonymous — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:49:00 -0000

From The Hill:

At least 14 Republican members of Congress have refused to endorse or publicly support Sen. John McCain for president.

http://thehill.com/leading-...

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Anonymous — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:06:00 -0000

RIGHT WING BLOGGER ENDORSES OBAMA!

"I have seen the light.

I, Erick-Woods Erickson, do this day endorse Barack Obama for President. He has done all I have asked and now I should do at least one thing he asks and give him my support.

When I beat up Obama for failing to repudiate Rev. Wright, Obama threw him under the bus.

When I punched Obama for telling the Teamsters he'd let them out of federal supervision, he backed down on that through a statement "clarification."

After I questioned Obama's patriotism because of his lack of a flag lapel pin, he put one on.

After harassing Obama for saying Iran was no threat, he willingly changed his mind and decided Iran is, in fact, a serious threat.

When Obama opened his mouth and lied about his family connection to the holocaust, he clarified again. Never mind that he's told several different groups several different variations -- he still attempted to do what I thought he needed to do.

When I bullied Obama over not going to Iraq with John McCain, his campaign decided he might just go.

Heck, I even picked on Barry for his "unilateral meetings with rogue nations" and Barry graciously nuanced his way out of it.

Then there's the other stuff like his fully transparent campaign. He harassed John McCain for being secretive like the Bushies, I punched back, and Obama released just one page on his medical history so we couldn't see that he actually has health problems due to his continued smoking. Likewise, he won't even release his birth certificate to prove he really is an American citizen. I love that he's willing to let this story and the whole "closet Muslim" story fester rather than be transparent like he claims he is. That just helps me out! And it signals that he really is just like the other guys; never mind the marketing.

Oh, and now after I demanded he throw Jim Johnson under the bus, Barry Obama does just that.

I love this guy. Everything I ask him to do, he does. Sure, sometimes I have to bop him on the nose, but just cause he's into S&M; doesn't mean he's not my type of guy.

Hell, look at John McCain. People attack him over supporting the surge and he does not cave. Those of us on the right beat him up over believing in that global warming crap and he will not yield to us. We wanted him to support the Bush tax cuts and he refused. And he does not apologize for it! The nerve of that guy.

Some people call that leadership. I call it stubbornness. Contrast John McCain's stubborn refusal to do as I say when I say with Barry's willingness to cave faster than a Taliban member with an F/A-18 over head.*

I have to endorse Barry Obama. Thus far he's done nothing but signal his willingness to be my gimp. And me likey that!

*Note to the libs: this is a play on the word "cave" not a play on the word "Hussein"."

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

rikyrah — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:55:00 -0000

miss-opnion,

I was hoping my How Obama Won Series was an antidote for Miss Hillary's Whinefest.

I'm not the person to do it. I don't think CPL is the person either, because, though I'm not speaking for her, I do believe we are in sync on this, and there's nothing polite that could come from either one of us on this topic.

Jill Tubman is your best hope for this..LOL

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:52:00 -0000

scruncher,

start calling Cindy McCain

McCain's Pill-Poppin' Piece-On-The-Side.

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:51:00 -0000

truthseeker,

when you're a Black man whose had his ass beat LITERALLY for just wanting to be treated as a human being...

do you REALLY think Clyburn gives a shit about being on Billary's Enemies List?

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Kenya W — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:29:00 -0000

schuncher- Oh hell no! No they did not! I am logging off. I cant take this shit anymore today.

Peace ya'll

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Pamela — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:11:00 -0000

scruncher, not to defend Fox news but didn't she call Obama her baby's daddy when introducing him?

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scruncher — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:23:00 -0000

Folks, folks, folks, did you see this:

http://www.dailykos.com/sto...

Fox News calls Michelle "Obama's baby mama," slang for an unwed mother. ]

This is fucking BS. What can we do?

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

heartsandflowers — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:07:00 -0000

White women are afforded a lot of options for venting their anger and showing their 'whiteness' and we need to have a good counterbalance in place.

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TruthSeeker — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:05:00 -0000

anonymous,

Her surrogates keep talking about her, and the overwhelming support she supposedly has. It is undermining. There is no way that she can be on the ticket after thorough vetting.

Just read also that she's not on vacation as reported, but talking to SD's on the phone. Who knows...

After Concession Speech, Reporters Wonder: Where's Hillary Clinton?

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Val — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:04:00 -0000

D said - I wish the war really had been about oil; maybe I wouldn't be paying as much for gas as I do. Fact is, though, that it wasn't.

Your candidate McCain said it was. Twice.

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djchefron — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:03:00 -0000

There should be a thread called Idiot Alert here is my entry
ANTI-OBAMA "MOVEMENT" SPOKESWOMAN INTERVIEWED ON FOX THINKS OBAMA IS A TERRORIST WHO PRACTICES POTENTIALLY LETHAL MIND-CONTROL HYPNOSIS

From NewsHounds:

Hannity & Colmes hosted crackpot Cristi Adkins, a die-hard Hillary Clinton fan who is now supporting John McCain. Adkins' website makes the outlandish accusation that Obama is "the home-grown terrorist sleeper cell." ...

Adkins said she was there as part of some coalition called, "Just Say No Deal." The website states: "We are a coalition of millions with one thing in common: NObama." ...

There's video at the NewsHounds link. Hannity and Colmes take this guest quite seriously.

How reliable is she? I think all you need to know is the fact that she posted this comment at a fellow Obama-basher's blog back in March:

Be Aware of the Hypnotic Power of the O'Bama Kool Aid…

Is It DANGEROUS?

Yes, Obama is a powerful speaker, make no mistake about that. As with all motivation speakers like Anthony Robbins and Marshall Sylver, he has a hypnotic quality about him. However, what's he really saying? As his voice lowers in pitch, softens a bit, you'll also notice the lights are lowered, the background music gets the audience pumped, he meets your gaze eye to eye during the rally and his voice seems to lull you into the 'feelings' of hope, inspiration and excitement. But when you leave the rally, you are left with one message. 'Change.' The amazing principle of Group Think is applicable, but there is another side to the coin.

...who is this empowering man that can inspire thousands of young, innocent, voters to go to the poles, even on blistery, dangerous highways during an ice storm..such as it was in Virginia and Maryland on February 12? ...

It is the same power that convinces thousands of unsuspecting enthusiasts to drink the red Kool Aid which leads to their ultimate destruction. It's called Mind Control, or in some circles, Hypnosis.

Mr. Obama is highly skilled at bypassing the critical thinking mind and getting straight to the subconscious mind; he knows how to hit what really makes voters tick. It is said in the world of Mind Control, when you control someones emotions, you control them. This is same tool and technique highly recognized in the speaking industry and used by the Anthony Robbins and Marshall Sylvers of the world. Unlike Bush, who used the Fear of Terrorists, O'bama's fear hits even closer to home. It is a sublimina fear of being publicly ridiculed if you say anything negative about a 'well liked' black candidate. Other emotions target the votes as they hope to stay out of a recession, fear losing their homes, desire a better life with greener pastures, excitement builds as the democratic race is the best reality TV to observe….

Keep this in mind when you place your vote. Do you want to be vote with your heart and emotions, with the facts or jump on a band wagon with a mysterious pull to drink the Obama Kook Aid? ...

Cristi Adkins, RN Cht

There's your Fox News "expert."

Of course, judging from this PDF at her workplace, perhaps Cristi is just feeling professional jealousy:

Cristi is a registered nurse who provides holistic nursing and holds a Masters Certification as a Hypnotherapist by the National Guild of Hypnotists. Originally born and raised outside of Baton Rouge, LA in a small town called Denham Springs, but has since moved on to become one of the masters in subconscious reprogramming.

As Registered Nurse she specializes in the body-mind-spirit approach. As an activist in holistic medicine, Nurse Cristi served as the state representative for the American Holistic Nurses Association for the state of Utah in 1998-1999 to bring about awareness to the field of Holistic Medicine. Holistic principles back the Fatloss Forever! weight loss program.

...Cristi offers complimentary consultations for the following services:

Hypnotherapy

Meditation

Audio Spa with the Light Sound System

Ionic Detox Foot Spa

Weight Loss

Nutrition

Holistic Health

Call today for your initial consultation....

I'm not sure why Cristi didn't try to use her skills at hypnotic mind control to persuade voters not to vote for Obama, given the fact that she's a pro, while he's just an amateur (unless there's some truth to the rumors I've heard that he has a master's from the Bin Laden School of Mind Control and Global Domination).

Then again, maybe that's exactly what she's doing -- I'm feeling very sleepy....

..................................

Kudos to No More Mr. Nice Guy Blog

Re: Wednesday Open Thread – Holla at us!!

TruthSeeker — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:01:00 -0000

Gotta love Clyburn's comments.

Clyburn shrugs off rumors of Clinton backlash

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Anonymous — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:29:00 -0000

I think Hillary is still holding out for VP and if she can keep the 'sexism' charges up then she can pressure Obama into putting her on the ticket. That's also why I think she is holding her delegates.

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miss-opinion — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:21:00 -0000

I'd love for this blog to write about the blame game/poor Hillary memo that has sprung up. Katie Curic has now joined on the bandwagon. She believes Hillary Clinton would have won all this had it not been for media sexism. She had her special notebook commentary I read. I say "read" because I've never bothered to watch her show, and I see I'm not alone.

What bugs me about this is it's clear she lost because she was 1. out smarted 2. out organized and 3. simply lacked a clear focus and narrative to her campaign.

To say that she lost this nomination because of sexism lets the women out there that want to hold their vote for McCain drag their fee further. It paints her as a victim, as if she somehow lost it because of gender and not because she was not up to running an effective campaign.

It pisses me off that instead of just accepting she lost because she could not defeat her opponent they want to put her up there as some victim. How is she supposed to be a role model for women if the message is always going to be "she lost because she's a woman."

And where is the special comments from Katie Curic for the race baiting? The attacks on Michelle Obama. In fact Katie actually asked Obama if having Hil as VP wanted to make him go "eww" So what the hell is all this sister hood shit coming from.

LOL I'm sure you can do it better than me. I'm just tired of victim hood memo.

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D. — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:36:00 -0000

Junglecat,
Nope; though I almost said, "in a way that most people won't."

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Anonymous — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:00:00 -0000

D,
If you are suggesting that the only people who have a right to express an opinion about the situaton in Iraq are people who have served, then methinks its time you took a refresher civics course.

Junglecat

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Brown Man — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:46:00 -0000

I guess the lack of excitement in the primaries has some of us up to our old devices - I was shocked at the number of comments I read on the web from people who purported to be black that are still raking Obama over the coals with the "is he black enough?" question.

Obama: Metaphorically Black or Literally Black?

As one of my buddies said today, "Obama has fucked things up for lazy negroes, man. He's raised the bar."

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Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:46:00 -0000

Via Pwerline:

One of our occasional military correspondents writes regarding his recent tour in Iraq;

I’m one of the Army officers who's written you from time to time about various things. I returned from my extended deployment to Iraq late last year, so at the micro-level I saw things improve dramatically from fall 2006 to fall 2007. And of course I've followed events closely since coming home. While it may be too early to schedule the ticker tape parade, I think recent statements by the CIA director and yesterday's article in the Wall Street Journal by Frederick and Kimberly Kagan point to what a lot of people are feeling: that we're on the cusp of a major victory against Al Qaeda in Iraq. I’d like to offer up a parallel that I think aligns with many other themes you use.

Last year I finished a great Civil War book by Albert Castel titled Decision in the West. It described Sherman’s campaign to capture Atlanta throughout the summer and fall of 1864. What I found interesting was that the campaign was originally conceived to complement what was intended to be the “decision” (decisive operations) in the East by Grant’s forces then operating against Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia. As the year wore on with little progress in Virginia, horrific casualties, and an election looming against emboldened, conciliatory Copperhead Democrats, the Union Cause was in great jeopardy. Grant, bogged down around Petersburg, wrote Sherman that "the decision would have to come in the West." After frenetic maneuvering and a few relatively small-scale but decisive battles, Sherman was at last able to capture Atlanta. Union morale was restored and the war was over approximately six months later. No one expected at the beginning of the Atlanta campaign that it would be the year's decisive operation and the death knell of the Confederacy.

I think this is illustrative of what has taken place in Iraq against Al Qaeda. For years now we have been expecting that the decision against Al Qaeda would occur in the East, in Afghanistan. OIF was expected to complement world-wide efforts against state-sponsored terrorism, but not to defeat Al Qaeda per se. As it has transpired, however, it turns out that the decision against Al Qaeda has occurred in the West – in Iraq, both physically and morally, with global ramifications that we will be assessing and (hopefully) exploiting for the next few years. Anyone who cannot comprehend or refuses to acknowledge this is betraying a great inflexibility of mind or duplicitious nature.

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D. — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:46:00 -0000

Djchefron,

Brother, fair enough.

Thanks for your service as well. You've earned the right to an opinion in a way most people haven't.

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Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:32:00 -0000

djchefron,

I do not share your cynical worldview, nor your pessimistic attitude towards our mission in Iraq.

The great thing about democracy is that it provides for the a way to 'fight' without taking up arms. As Iraqis become more engaged in a democratic political process they discover a way to resolve conflicts without taking up arms.

As for 'what will they do when the money runs out,' Oil is at a record high and iraqi oil production will create a revenue stream for the country that will be shared by all the citizens.

I was not for the war. But all of that is moot now. Iraq is our responsibility and I have every confidence that we can make it a success if we remain resolute.

If I must choose between optimism and pessimism, success or failure, victory or defeat, support or retreat, I choose to say, "Yes, we can!"

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:14:00 -0000

Iraq was a mistake. It was unneccessary. If we were going to invade an Arabic country, then it should have been Saudi Arabia, which gave us 15 out of the 19 hijackers on 9/11, and is the financier of Wahabbi Islamic Terrorism across the globe.

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:12:00 -0000

Paul Newman is ill. Pray for him and his family.

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djchefron — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:30:00 -0000

Well my brother D I honor you and what you beleive in but this is where we agree to disagree. I do not believe Saddam was a threat to our national sercurity and the stupidity of this admin. has made things worse.