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-Fuck Hillary Clinton.
Fuck PUMA.
Hillary supporters need to grow up. GROW UP!
Just think of the narratives we've heard so far. . . If he picks Sebelius or McCaskill he's betraying Hillary supporters. If he picks Richardson, he's snubbing Bill Clinton. If he picks Webb, he'll have to answer for soft-core porn novels and past charges of sexism. Nunn brings potential problems with the gay community. Bayh championed the Iraq invasion. Kaine is too inexperienced to partner with Obama. Reed is an unknown, boring guy. Biden sticks his foot in his mouth sometimes. Clinton (hell no!). Wesly Clark is a former Clintonista whose comments put Obama in a tough bind. Kerry already had his chance.
I mean, the guy is screwed no matter who he picks. To be honest, the only pick that would give me trouble would be Clinton.
Schultz basically told his audience he's going to be a team player (all positive) once Obama makes his choice (though he draws the line at picking a Republican). He's not going to suspend all critical thinking, but he is going to recognize the fact that, at the end of the day, someone WILL win and someone WILL lose . . . and the ONLY way we don't lose is if we support our ticket with full strength. I think he's right. Politics is the definition of compromise. We need team players and positive energy coming out of this convention. Because the GOP, PUMA, Too black crowd, Not black enough crowd . . . all of them will be more than happy to capitalize off of the slightest bit of division that they see.
I hate to give the press all that power, but until we change that institution, our political leaders will always be secondary.
Still, I'd like Obama to pick a "fighter." In many ways, that's Biden's biggest draw and curse. He's loose-lipped, but you gotta like a Democrat whose willing to call the President's attacks, "bullsh*t." I just don't want a weak ticket.
I still like the idea of John Kerry as a dark-horse. I'm thinking he might have learned how to fight over the past four years. Think of it . . . that experience has probably haunted him since 2004. Talk about poetic justice. Plus, I've never liked the idea that Democrats throw their candidates away after one try.
But, as I said in an earlier post, an Obama/Kerry ticket would require FULL party support because Rush Limbaugh et. al would have a field day dusting off their old Kerry smears.
One advantage of nominating Biden is that it would show white people that Obama doesn't hold a grudge against whites who have specifically insulted Obama based on his skin color, i.e. by calling him "eloquent" and "clean". Nominating Biden shows that Obama has gotten over that, and can get over most any insult.
Well, that's certainly an advantage in the United States, but I don't think it worth giving him the vice presidency, just to prove Obama has thick skin.
Obama should nominate Bill Richardson, who speaks fluent Spanish, spent like half a dozen terms in the US Congress representing a Latinos state, and was Ambassador to the UN as well as a Secretary in the Clinton Administration. THAT's experience and bringing something to the table.
Obama should NOT pick ANY v.p. candidate simply because that person is a white man, anymore than Obama himself should refuse the nomination because Obama himself is not a white man. Being a white man is no longer a threshold qualification for the presidency or the vice presidency.
Once in a while, Montana produces something or someone worth the skin on their lips.
But he has only been a governor for a short while. I have floated his name out there on other sites and that is the biggest response. I love what he has done with environmental issues. He doesn't forget that people need to work, too. So he is no tree hugger but he has an awesome background. He has worked in North Africa and the Middle East and speaks Arabic. His work was agricultural and not petroleum.
I don't think Biden is that person.
See I wasn't aware of all this. Well I guess this means it will be Bayh. Damn that means Harold Ford wins.
If he chooses Kaine, it will be a bold choice.
Gen. Anthony Zinni (USMC, ret.)
Obama needs a Darth Cheney backing him up. Bayh and Kaine are too like him. He needs someone who can play dirty. So far that only leaves Hillary Clinton, and we ain't haaaaaavin' that!
I'm loathe to agree with anything Taylor Marsh says, but she asks a legitimate question today, does anyone know what the Obama Campaign's theme or message is? Specifically, a compelling case for an Obama presidency and against a McCain presidency?
I know, I know, I've been one of the loudest voices screaming to stop the hand wringing and worrying about the tightening polls. But that was when I trusted the Campaign had a plan; however, after his performance at Saddleback, I'm now convinced that not only does this Campaign not have a plan, they may not have a clue.
As scary as John McCain's answer was on evil, it doesn't begin to compare to the heartbreak I felt listening to Senator Obama's answers on abortion and why he wanted to be President. It was the first time I found myself asking, does he really want this?
Senator Obama's only chance of winning lies with choosing a candidate that is a:
1. Fighter
2. Can sure up the female vote
3. Trusted on both the economy AND foreign relations
4. Elicits feelings that he/she earned it/waited their turn
The last may be the most important. When voters say he's inexperienced, I think many mean he didn't wait his turn, and he hasn't earned it. That's the advantage John McCain has, not the number of years in public service. I think Senator Obama would be forgiven for his lack of "experience" if his command of the issues on stage during debates and forums matched the hype of a once in a lifetime politician. Unfortunately, his appearances do just the opposite: creating second thoughts and doubts. Personally, I could have forgiven a bad performance on Saturday to fatigue or illness, but it clearly was a lack of preparedness. After 18 months of campaigning and 20 or more debates, Senator Obama and his team still don't seem to understand the importance of them. Just like Senator Clinton, John McCain has been enduring the rigors of debate boot camp. Clearly, Senator Obama hasn't. God forgive me for my choice of words, but that laziness and stubborness sealed the deal for Hillary Clinton as VP.
Something that could have EASILY AND QUICKLY been corrected by a speech therapist and public speaking coach. For the life of me, I do not understand why it has not been corrected. Public speaking is not a talent; it's a finely developed skill. His senior strategists and communications heads get paid VERY WELL to deal with this, and they haven't. So what does that tell you?
And no, we need no more Darth Cheney. We just need someone who's going to have Obama's back and fire back on McSame and his supporters who malign his citizenship and his 'ambition.'
That racism is the refusal to take ownership of blacks as true Americans. He talks like black kids are somebody else's problem.
Bayh is a Billary. For some reason he reminds me of Dan Quayle.
Kaine wants to be VP so bad he can taste it, but Obama's chances in VA are better hitching his horse to Warner's wagon than Kaine's. Picking Kaine ain't gonna make Virginians say "Oh, yeah! Let's vote Obama!" That's just not going to happen. Campaigning in conjunction with Mark Warner's Senate race WILL. Kaine just needs to sit down and figure out how he's going to become the next president of VCU. The timing would be right for Kaine since the current president leaves in 2010 and Kaine's term is up in 2010.
It seems as though Obama's inner circle is filled with wonky white dudes. I just feel like his VP pick will be another wonky white dude. If he chooses a woman, she's got to be stellar to avoid unfair comparisons to Hillary...even Hillary would have to bow down.
For some reason, I keep coming back to Al Gore or someone along those line. I don't think Al Gore would want to be VP again, though.
You call your friends and say "OMG he picked AL GORE, turn on the convention!" Tim Kaine or whoever is introducing the VP (half the people at the convention still don't know b/c they didn't sign up) and out comes Al Gore.
The only way McBane can top that is to pick Hillary. LOL
And stop giving away my points.
Do you think Biden could just be really coarse?
Maybe he's one of those guys guys who grab their crotches, and spit, and shoot from the hip, and don't understand things like emotions and girls and sensitivity.
Maybe he's one of those men who hit on women so crudely, all you can do is laugh at them.
Maybe he's a guy with one chest of drawers with a single hairbrush and a bottle of Old Spice. Maybe he says stupid things and makes off colour jokes but when push comes to shove, he might surprise you, and be a decent human being deep down.
Or, maybe he's really just a racist jerk.
Let me clarify that a bit.
Obama's appeal from his supporters mostly stems from his diverse experiences. Every other news source keeps harping on his race, but that's a story for another day... and we all know how MSM does *insert eye roll here*. In any case, no matter if you are liberal, or progressive, or even a bit libertarian, he as a facet of his profile that is appealing. He has been masterful at maneuvering that fine line. (Although lately his tactics have been called to question, and I personally think that it is his campaign/PR people have been faltering. The brilliance of the primary campaign is missing). In that way, the VP pick is going to be seen as a weak, "safe", or bland unless s/he brings this diverse array experiences as well. It is with that view that I think any VP who is not "special" is going to be seen as a let-down.
That being said, why has no one talked about an Obama/Richardson ticket?!?! I've been saying that since day one. Is that too many "colored people" for America to handle? Has Richardson out-right said "Do Not Pick Me"? I’m sorry if that’s already been talked about here at JJP, I’m new :)
2. The rumors have been crazy from day one - he has ' women' problems.
And---it's way too many brown people for this damned country.
LOL
I'm the one who always says follow the pattern, and you did. Very informative.
if you google jack jill politics and racism, you get 75,000 hits
stupid argument
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnG2B5bbkBE
Obama:
"I have absolutely no doubt about what is in his heart and the commitment that he has made to racial equality in this country."
Hope, hope ,hope.
Same thing would happen if Sen. Obama picked Gov. Janet Napolitano. Which I personally would LOVE, if for no other reason than to stick a pin in Sen. McCain's eye, as she is the governor of Arizona.
And if you're looking for someone with whom O is comfortable, Biden fits the bill. Almost every one of the 300-plus men and women who have served in the US Senate since 1973 have felt very close to Joe Biden.
Biden's ethics are nonpareil. He has been a practical, results-driven liberal for 35 years. Yes, there are votes he [and I] wish he could do over, but he stopped Bork and did many other good things in Judiciary. In foreign policy, Joe knows [like "Bo knows"]. The sonofagun can bond with the heart of voters like few in public life, and no one battles better in debates.
Thanks Micheline...I hated that swan dress.
He suffers from Mind to Mouth disease. He rarely edits himself when he speaks. For all his years in DC he doesn't live in DC. He commutes every day and IF a local organization needs him to come to an event its a quick phone call or just walk into one of his county offices and 9 time out of 10 you'll get him. Last election we made his son Beau the State's AG. More than likely if Biden were to be picked for VP, Beau would probably get nominated to fill his seat.
You can cherrypick clips of his inartful, foot-in-mouth statements and make it look like he is, but that doesn't make it so. As Obama testified in the Des Moines Register debate, "I've seen his leadership. I have absolutely no doubt about what is in his heart and the commitment that he's made with respect to racial equality in this country."
The fact is, if there was a Republican who had a record like Joe Biden's on civil rights, my response would be exactly the same: he's not a racist.
While I think Obama could do better (Sebelius, ftw!), Biden is, without a doubt, the best of the oft-discussed VP candidates and I'd be proud to do my part to ensure their election.
Can you give examples of Biden's civil rights record?
Cindy McCain's Half Sister 'Angry' She's Hidden
by Ted Robbins
Ted Robbins/NPR
Kathleen Hensley Portalski displays newspaper clippings of her father in World War II, as well as snapshots of herself as a child with her father.
Courtesy Nicholas Portalski
Portalski is shown with her late father, Jim Hensley, who also was Cindy McCain's father.
Ted Robbins/NPR
Nicholas Portalski, whose mother is McCain's half sister, says it's "very, very hurtful" that he and his mother haven't been recognized.
All Things Considered, August 18, 2008 · Last Tuesday, NPR broadcast a story about Cindy McCain's business and charity work. In it, Ted Robbins described McCain as the only child of Jim Hensley, a wealthy Arizona businessman. The next morning, NPR received an e-mail from Nicholas Portalski of Phoenix, who heard the story with his mother.
"We were listening to the piece about Cindy McCain on NPR, All Things Considered, and it just struck us very hard," Portalski said.
His mother, Kathleen Hensley Portalski, is also Hensley's daughter.
The Portalski family is accustomed to hearing Cindy McCain described as Hensley's only child.
She's been described that way by news organizations from The New Yorker and The New York Times to Newsweek and ABC.
McCain herself routinely uses the phrase "only child," as she did on CNN last month. "I grew up with my dad," she said then. "I'm an only child. My father was a cowboy, and he really loved me very much, but I think he wanted a son occasionally."
McCain's father was also a businessman — and twice a father.
"I'm upset," Kathleen Portalski says. "I'm angry. It makes me feel like a nonperson, kind of."
Who Is Kathleen Hensley Portalski?
Documents show Kathleen Anne Hensley was born to Jim and Mary Jeanne Hensley on Feb. 23, 1943. They had been married for six years when Kathleen was born.
Jim Hensley was a bombardier on a B-17, flying over Europe during World War II.
He was injured and sent to a facility in West Virginia to recuperate. During that time, while still married to Mary Jeanne, Hensley met another woman — Marguerite Smith. Jim divorced Mary Jeanne and married Marguerite in 1945.
Cindy Lou Hensley was born nine years later, in 1954.
She may have grown up as an only child, but so did her half sister, Kathleen, who was raised by a single parent.
Portalski says she did see her father and her half sister from time to time.
"I saw him a few times a year," she says. "I saw him at Christmas and birthdays, and he provided money for school clothes, and he called occasionally."
Jim Hensley also provided credit cards and college tuition for his grandchildren, as well as $10,000 gifts to Kathleen and her husband, Stanley Portalski. That lasted a decade, they say. By then, Jim Hensley had built Hensley and Co. into one of the largest beer distributorships in the country. He was worth tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.
Sole Inheritor To Hensley's Estate
When Hensley died in 2000, his will named not only Portalski but also a daughter of his wife Marguerite from her earlier marriage. So, Cindy McCain may be the only product of Jim and Marguerite's marriage, but she is not the only child of either.
She was, however, the sole inheritor of his considerable estate.
Kathleen Portalski was left $10,000, and her children were left nothing. It's a fact Nicholas Portalski says his sister discovered the hard way.
"What she found in town — on the day of or the day before or the day after his funeral — was that the credit card didn't work anymore," Nick says.
The Portalskis live in a modest home in central Phoenix. Kathleen is retired, as is her husband. Nicholas Portalski is a firefighter and emergency medical technician looking for work.
They say it would have been nice if they were left some of the Hensley fortune.
They also say they are Democrats, but Nicholas Portalski says he had another reason for coming forward.
"The fact that we don't exist," he says. "The fact that we've never been recognized, and then Cindy has to put such a fine point on it by saying something that's not true. Recently, again and again. It's just very, very hurtful."
Kathleen Portalski says she'd like an acknowledgment and an apology.
NPR asked the McCain campaign — specifically, Cindy McCain — to comment or respond. Neither replied.
With that being said, Senator Obama has got to pull the gloves off and fight. Now who's the best fighter out there? Senator Hillary Clinton. Now, I'm not endorsing her per se, but strategically she makes sense. She can go on the attack like no other Democrat, and her being selected outweighs any Republican veep pick. She'll garner more publicity and in doing so, she can set the terms of the attack.
In addition, those PUMAs could finally be silenced. Let's face it, they are vocal and determined to undermine Senator Obama's campaign, but with Hillary as number two, they can finally be silenced and, very importantly,not be wooed by Senator McCain.
Plus, Senator Obama needs to announce his cabinet at the convention. It should be a truly bipartisan cabinet with Senator Biden as Secretary of State, and Senator Hegel maybe as Secretary of Defense. This stuff about Biden being racist is really elementary. Let's not get sidetracked by this. All of us say silly things, and we talk about "the white folks" all the time. Some of what we say in conversations with each other could be termed "racist." We have bigger fish to fry here, We're trying to elect a black man to the White House, and to do so we have to play with the big boys, and the Republicans do not play the radio when it comes to low down and dirty politics. So we can keep our hands clean and lose,or we can do some things that will trump our opponents and win. I for one feel that Senator Clinton as vice-president and the announcement of a bipartisan cabinet at the convention will go a long way in stealing a lot of the Republican's thunder.
Let's get down to the nitty gritty, shall we? A lot of these PUMAs and Billaries are mad because they paid a pretty penny to have access to power. They thought they would have complete access to Hillary when she was elected. That's why they were supporting her and paying Bill handsome sums to "speak." But Obama stepped right in and "took it away". Lady de Rothschild has now just lost her access to the White House. PUMA fundraisers have lost their access to power. The Hillraisers have lost their access to power. The Clinton aides have lost their access to power. The talking heads on ABC, NBC, CNN, etc. have lost their access to power. If Obama wins, who will the news networks want to talk to? Stephanopoulous or David Axelrod?
And most importantly, Bill Clinton has lost his access to the White House.
These wealthy white people who thought they were going to have access to the Clinton White House in January are pissed. Putting H. Clinton on the ticket does nothing for these people because the power would rest with OBAMA, not Clinton.
It doesn't matter if Hillary is on the ticket or not, they're not going to vote for Obama.
You're always on point. And, you tell the truth. I, too, would just like for them to come out and admit:
a) that they won't vote for Obama under ANY circumstances
b) the true reasons why
Talk about playing into the "presumptious" theme......
Damn fingers.
From me, the same would apply to McCain.
Not only presumptious, but terrible strategy.
So once again, think strategy. The opponent is Senator McCain and the Rovian tactics that drive the country apart. The Democrats need to get over themselves and unite, and they can do so by embarking on winning strategies such as an Obama-Clinton ticket and a bipartisan cabinet, all done at the convention to garner maximum coverage and momentum which will trump anything the Republicans could muster.
So, you really don't see why that makes no sense?
Biden championed bankruptcy reform laws on behalf of all the credit card companies in Delaware. Those policies have been detrimental to people who are now suffering through the sub-prime mortgage crisis. So, his actions have spoke louder than his words.
At this point, I'll wait for *O*s decision and try to rationalize it after it happens.
This website claims that OBAMASEBELIUS.COM is owned by the Obama campaign.
I reserve that label--I don't think it should be thrown around too casually.
I worked on Capitol Hill (Senate side) for 10 years. You get to know who's who and what's what with the Members. My personal interactions with him, the "inside 411" I would hear from other staff, and the way I observed him over many years, make me very confident in asserting he is no racist.
I have mixed feelings about his being the VP pick, though. All the pros and cons have already been outlined in this thread. My fantasy choice has always been Richardson.
I've trusted Barack to this point, so I see no reason to stop now. Unless his chooses HIllary. Then, all bets are off. :- )
In all seriousness, let's just focus on having a great, history-making, mind-blowing convention, and then winning this thing. We have to win. I don't want any distractions. He's got to win. That MUST be our focus.
Tip.........he should focus on some sort of a plan don't you think? Ideas win elections...but he may be able to do it with hype alone these days. The people will come around when it comes to voting...Carey was winning, Gore was winning...the media put them there and the American people sent them home eventually. Sound familiar?
You may also want to find a site that is more in line with your thinking, so you won't feel the need to do battle with every commenter here. Geez.
Now, to respond substantively to your remarks, yes, I do believe that Barack must win. He has to win in order to make the changes I feel we need in this country. I believe he is the best person to lead at this point in history. You clearly don't agree, and since this is America, I'll celebrate your right to hold a different opinion, but I'm a little weary of the condescension. What does that do for you exactly?
Cheers!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/b...
Go OBAMA/BIDEN 08
I don't think anybody could be Obama's VP without Michelle's approval. She is too vital to Barack.
So if Michelle looked Biden in the eyes, talked to him and then gave the Barack the OK, then I'm alright with it.
August 19, 2008 5:21 PM
ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf and Jennifer Parker report: As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was leaving his house in Wilmington this afternoon, he slowed down and said to the gathered news reporters outside his home: "Hey guys, I'm not the guy. See ya."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08...
No, instead he choses a real racist and bigot and do not fool yourself, his supporters will not care. IOIYAO (it's okay if you are Obama).
I just typed in McCain + racist and I got 3,380,000 results. So by your logic I guess he's a much bigger racist than Biden
HE RAGGED ON BARACK AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO JUST CHALK HIM UP TO A STUPID WHITE PERSON???? HE IS A RACIST!!!!!!!! END OF STORY!!!!
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